AI is the future and why anti-AI rhetoric is deeply flawed

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One of the things I've been thinking about is that the Windows 7 "neo-luddites" embrace AI, yet the normies, "the updooters", seem to be the ones that are most against AI. A "neo-luddite" on this forum even used ChatGPT to suggest a laptop to get for Windows 7, help build Chromium 48, and for other uses. Why is it that we are more open to AI than the people that hate us so very much for being "behind"?

AI can be a good tool, if you self host it or do one of the jailbreaks or manipulation methods, it will do exactly as you ask as far as it can. You can ask an art AI to draw whatever you want, and it will do it to the best of it's abilities. You will most likely need to craft your responses very carefully and tweak negative prompts, but once you get it just right you'll be able to get what you want in minutes or less compared to the potential days a human could take. A coding AI wouldn't intentionally break compatibility without a good reason or being told to do so, unless the training data is intentionally manipulated. Anyone could ask it to make whatever they wish with as much compatibility as they could ever want and it would do it. Program doesn't work on 7? Just like how art AIs can draw near whatever you want, a coding AI could make an alternative or modification that does work on 7. Or tackling the issue from a different side, win32, the Vista Extended Kernel developer, is experimenting to see if AI can code Windows functions, it could significantly speed up extended kernel development. If a program uses the bloated QT library, a coding AI could modify the source, or create a new alternative and drastically decrease the size, removing most or any need for external dlls. Few humans make highly optimized and highly compatible code, while a good coding AI could give it to everyone.

Plenty of people will argue that AI "steals", which is not correct. Even if I give you your preconceived notion that whatever an AI makes is an just an "amalgamation" slopped into the output, that would be fair use. If you disagree, I recommend you give this a watch. It is an "amalgamation" of various animated films/TV shows stitched together to create an informative video about copyright and fair use. If AI generated content is an "amalgamation" that isn't fair use, whose to say this video isn't fair use as well? Banning AI generated content on copyright grounds could cause even further restriction of fair use no matter who makes it.

However I still disagree that AI "steals". An AI can learn from any image, song, piece of code, etc, just like a human can. If you tell me you draw art but haven't seen a copyrighted image, make music but haven't listened to a copyrighted song, write books but haven't read a copyrighted book, write code but haven't seen copyrighted/permissive/creative commons code, and so on, you're lying. Humans learn by example, and so does AI. Even if AI could be restricted from learning from something outside of just not releasing it, allowing humans to learn from said thing would be hypocritical. If I can learn from something so should AI. I made this image myself, and decided to try drawing a Getty Images like watermark from memory. It's been a long while since I've seen a Getty Images image so didn't get the size or color right, but it's still a translucent rectangle anchored to the right side with Getty Images inside of it. It's more accurate of a watermark than most freely available image AIs can make, yet this image is just fine.

Outside of just "stealing", another perceived issue is what about the jobs or income of these people that AI could be replacing? To put this into different terms, the basic argument is that AI bad because there's no universal basic income. Instead of increasingly pushing for universal basic income, we should just keep in place the old way of doing things, even if they're less efficient. This is just yet another transition period, within somewhat recent history we've had the assembly line speeding up production, pre-recorded music replacing live musicians, increasing use of reliable machines replacing human error in manufacturing, home media (and now streaming) replacing theaters. There will always be people against the next big thing, but progress is progress, you can't stop it. Even if a country bans the use of AI, production will just move outside to somewhere where it's perfectly fine. Not too much unlike how manufacturing is already mostly in China, Vietnam, India, etc these days where labor is cheap and regulations are lax, and not much can be done about it.

If I missed something or made a mistake please let me know. However I won't let trolls turn the thread turn into a 50 page battlefield.

Thank you to:
VictorTheVictor for using AI for many helpful purposes.
Louis Rossmann for Is AI generated art exploitation? (Also a recommended watch that expands upon the idea of the last paragraph.)
Eric Fadden for A Fair(y) Use Tale
If it weren't for these people, this post wouldn't have existed, or at least not in the current state it's in.
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Unfortunately, nothing is how it used to be and nothing ever will be the way it was.

Im personally not too keen on AI, but also dont have much against it.
I personally just dont need it and dont want to rely on it.
The point where i draw the line is when people start treating AI like human beings and somehow trying to train them and give them a personality and shit (scifi AI-soulmate-like territory. Seriously that shit is just weird).

The, as you call them "normies" (aka. the popular ppl at school with prominent social media presence) do appreciate, from my experience, the invention of AI, especially ChatGPT.
They use it for their own benefits to write texts for them and calculate mathematical problems so they can chat with the bitches AND not fail the exams at the same time ("Great success"), which is why some countries have banned ChatGPT, as it is used as a tool to circumvent certain requirements someone must meet in order to get something.
This shows that AI is slowly coming into the mainstream, no longer being something only computer nerds are fantasizing about.

AI has many upsides, but also many downsides and, just like everything in this modern world, eventually it will be instrumentalized and somehow turned into a consumer-mliking-money-making machine SOMEHOW.
However, we the humanity, shouldnt get too keen on getting the AI "sentient", setting them on the same level as humans and somehow possibly trying to integrate them in society.

As history shows us many times before, playing God never ended well for us humans.
Therefore we should be very careful with this.

Todays world is only out for pure profit .
Big Pharma and Big Tech will do absolutely anything to decieve you and milk the last euro out of your pocket and with the introduction of AI, i forsee that those tactics will only become more unethical.

It remains to be seen what the future will bring for AI and humanity.
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I was discussing AI with someone and the topic came up. I thought of an interesting idea I would like to add. This adds on top of the last point.

I don't think you can fully replace people with AI and still have a good product just yet. However there will come a time where AI far succeeds any human.

I feel like the anti-AI people are arguing for a future that will inevitably end in people living to work. They seem to not understand that working is a necessary evil. We're near the end of working to live, and already in some countries you already live to work. Workers are the most productive now than they ever have been, but wages have lagged well behind even inflation. You used to be able to raise a family off of flipping burgers, now you can barely live. AI and robotics will likely get good enough to take everything over. Instead of living to work, people could chase their dreams. In the modern economy, hobbies have turned into side hustles, and jobs are the killers of hobbies. They have been forced to turn a passion or hobby they enjoy into a side hustle on top of whatever job they have. If AI replaced jobs and we had a universal basic income, instead of needing to make money, people could actually enjoy their passion and help others.

There are two ways anti AI people could attempt to reply to this. If you have another reply, please post it below.

1: Keeping the same structure of work, but improving it. Work is not a necessary evil.
You could say well just elect people that will improve the economy or standard of living, but look at how well that's been going. Our current situation, at least in the US, is a slow burn that started in the 70s, but really started kicking in in the 80s with Reaganomics. However not much has been done to help since. All there has been are band aid fixes. The economic policies that solved the 2008 recession were just a band aid and there has been no real fix. COVID was just two checks. Inflation is as rampant as it's been for a long while, but they're cutting funding or even killing programs like the Affordable Connectivity Program, SNAP/food stamps, and more in the time people need them the most. Sure these are those band aid fixes, but there has been no real fix yet and anything helps in these times. This slow burn will continue until we own nothing and be happy. This will be how it goes, unless there is some massive shake up that I do not see happening. Being a productive member of society, having a job, those only benefit the machine. The people in power are also seemingly ignoring potential impending disasters like a climate disaster, Carrington event, or some other great filter type scenario. One of those could come even sooner.

For working, all it is is a means to an end. Sure you, or someone else could enjoy it, but the people working the slave wage flipping patties don't. Also as I said before, working will eventually kill that hobby. All work really is are humans providing a product or service to get money. If you enjoy something, it's best done on your own time, instead of being forced to do it. Being forced and overworked to do your hobby will kill your hobby. With how things are going, you will slave away barely living having once liked your job or not.

2: The people in power will not enact universal basic income if AI replaces jobs.
Instead of the future from the above, AI would rip the band aid off. History has told us that if people don't get their food, they will revolt. If the people in power do not enact something, they will get replaced. It could be anywhere from Great Depression to French Revolution. I do not see people still lying down after such a big shift. I do worry that people are not smart enough though. They may just target AI instead of bettering the standard of living.
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CalmCreeper360 wrote: 28 May 2023, 09:59 ...Unfortunately, nothing is how it used to be and nothing ever will be the way it was...
Sad to say I feel very much the same.
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K4sum1 wrote: 23 Jan 2024, 04:03 ...It could be anywhere from Great Depression to French Revolution. I do not see people still lying down after such a big shift. I do worry that people are not smart enough though...
I worry that people aren't that smart, as well, and I need more information and AI would need a lot of perfecting before it can take away jobs , but japan has already been using robots at hotels as to take the place of from desk clerks. I do find this troubling because we need people and human emotion, otherwise, we''d be living in a virtual reality like a video game.
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I personally love ChatGPT. While it is far from perfect and terrible at providing help for homework (I treat it like a professor in office hours and usually as a last resort if nothing else helps, I hate and condemn cheating and even if I wanted to cheat I know for a fact that ChatGPT will spew junk if you try to get it to solve anything half serious), it is great as a replacement for annoying assembly manuals when I am reverse engineering something in ARM, ARM64, Android dex bytecode, .NET or occasionally x86 and need help with instructions I happen to not know.

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