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convenient they can't class this as a separate OS, just a repeated of Vista situation from years ago.

nt7 wrote: ↑02 Dec 2022, 14:32 Pretty important and something I have not seen discussed on the forum yet. They plan to cut off for both 7 and 8.1, which (of course) affects Win8, convenient they can't class this as a separate OS, just a repeated of Vista situation from years ago.

Are there any plans to track and archive the current source code tree and build requirements for a successful Win7 Chromium build before it eventually becomes lost in time, like it did for Chrome 49/50? It'd be nice to be able to have merely so that a community fork or such can quite possibly be envisioned and ensured 'future-proof' and the same mistake is not made again, especially with the current Internet browser climate and abusive mannerism of modern web developers.

Firefox is not feasible IMO, as a longtime ex-user from the 3.x days that jumped the gun after Quantum turned it into an identical copy of Chrome (the signs were there long before, ever since 4.x), I don't think it will last the test of time with Mozilla's constant anti-user decisions (esp. what they did to the SeaMonkey guys wtf?!) and pandering to the woke Twitter terrorists in their PR.

CalmCreeper360 wrote: ↑02 Dec 2022, 19:10

nt7 wrote: ↑02 Dec 2022, 14:32 Pretty important and something I have not seen discussed on the forum yet. They plan to cut off for both 7 and 8.1, which (of course) affects Win8, convenient they can't class this as a separate OS, just a repeated of Vista situation from years ago.

Are there any plans to track and archive the current source code tree and build requirements for a successful Win7 Chromium build before it eventually becomes lost in time, like it did for Chrome 49/50? It'd be nice to be able to have merely so that a community fork or such can quite possibly be envisioned and ensured 'future-proof' and the same mistake is not made again, especially with the current Internet browser climate and abusive mannerism of modern web developers.

Firefox is not feasible IMO, as a longtime ex-user from the 3.x days that jumped the gun after Quantum turned it into an identical copy of Chrome (the signs were there long before, ever since 4.x), I don't think it will last the test of time with Mozilla's constant anti-user decisions (esp. what they did to the SeaMonkey guys wtf?!) and pandering to the woke Twitter terrorists in their PR.

what did they do to the seamonkey guys?

nt7 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2022, 01:58

CalmCreeper360 wrote: ↑02 Dec 2022, 19:10

nt7 wrote: ↑02 Dec 2022, 14:32 Pretty important and something I have not seen discussed on the forum yet. They plan to cut off for both 7 and 8.1, which (of course) affects Win8, convenient they can't class this as a separate OS, just a repeated of Vista situation from years ago.

Are there any plans to track and archive the current source code tree and build requirements for a successful Win7 Chromium build before it eventually becomes lost in time, like it did for Chrome 49/50? It'd be nice to be able to have merely so that a community fork or such can quite possibly be envisioned and ensured 'future-proof' and the same mistake is not made again, especially with the current Internet browser climate and abusive mannerism of modern web developers.

Firefox is not feasible IMO, as a longtime ex-user from the 3.x days that jumped the gun after Quantum turned it into an identical copy of Chrome (the signs were there long before, ever since 4.x), I don't think it will last the test of time with Mozilla's constant anti-user decisions (esp. what they did to the SeaMonkey guys wtf?!) and pandering to the woke Twitter terrorists in their PR.

what did they do to the seamonkey guys?

Around the time of 45-52 ESR and leading up to the Quantum release they cut off all their funding, told them to go find another home and effectively fuck themselves. Now they only have one or two active maintainers.

CalmCreeper360 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2022, 14:32

nt7 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2022, 01:58

CalmCreeper360 wrote: ↑02 Dec 2022, 19:10

what did they do to the seamonkey guys?

Around the time of 45-52 ESR and leading up to the Quantum release they cut off all their funding, told them to go find another home and effectively fuck themselves. Now they only have one or two active maintainers.

Goddammit thats such an asshole move.
Why dont more people talk about this?
Im personally also a FF user pretty much ever since ive started using PCs, but ive also been noticing the Anti-consumer stuff theyve been doing and also their shady business with Google and how Google silenced them the past years so they shut up about the increasing amounts of telemetry in google services.
I also never liked any UI post FF 52.

nt7 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2022, 22:12

CalmCreeper360 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2022, 14:32

nt7 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2022, 01:58
Around the time of 45-52 ESR and leading up to the Quantum release they cut off all their funding, told them to go find another home and effectively fuck themselves. Now they only have one or two active maintainers.

Goddammit thats such an asshole move.
Why dont more people talk about this?
Im personally also a FF user pretty much ever since ive started using PCs, but ive also been noticing the Anti-consumer stuff theyve been doing and also their shady business with Google and how Google silenced them the past years so they shut up about the increasing amounts of telemetry in google services.
I also never liked any UI post FF 52.

I noticed the anti-consumer behaviour around the time they brought out version 4.0, which if memory serves was also around the time Chrome started rapidly eating up Firefox's userbase. This was also the first version that started to change a lot of the user interface aspects to match Chrome, as well as brought out that 'fixed/rapid' release cycle, added much more telemetry, bloated out the codebase (though 3.x was arguably bloat compared to 2.x too), and pretty much broke the XUL add-on infrastructure for several years.

SeaMonkey was always a nice alternative quasi-fork (if you can call it that - Firefox forked from it, and then SeaMonkey started using upstream code from other Mozilla projects) that also happened to integrate the email client and a few other things, pretty much a continuation of the old Netscape Suite; its few remaining developers also actually aren't dickheads unlike the Moonchild mafia. As for why nobody really knows about what happened over there, it's safe to assume it's because everyone seemingly decided to fixate on other things, namely the Google monopoly and Pale Moon and how "great" it was for porting to old systems (not). (Seriously, I've rarely met anyone who actually used PM as a main browser outside /g/ folk angry with how überwoke Firefox's PR team behave, and those using derivatives on older operating systems.)

With the bloated codebase they have to deal with (derived from the trainwreck known as FF52) and the shit they've been through, you really have to wonder why people are/were still choosing to derive their legacy browser forks from Pale Moon (and why that got so much attention in the first place) when an alternative existed with far less rabid developers who could do with genuine help considering the gigantic struggles they've had from their upstream.

focus on completely unnecessary shit