<![CDATA[Eclipse Community]]> https://board.eclipse.cx Smartfeed extension for phpBB <![CDATA[Research Network :: Either fully remove Rust from Firefox or backport engine changes from Quantum onto UXP :: Author wuggy]]> 2026-04-18T11:25:40+00:00 2026-04-18T11:25:40+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=969&p=8844#p8844 <![CDATA[Research Network :: Either fully remove Rust from Firefox or backport engine changes from Quantum onto UXP :: Reply by Iffy-chan]]> 2026-04-19T14:49:31+00:00 2026-04-19T14:49:31+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=969&p=8891#p8891
I'd hop into their IRC Chat if I were you. I honestly wish they'd get more attention for what they're doing, especially around these parts - and particularly with how they were shafted by Mozilla themselves and effectively kicked off their infrastructure around the FF Quantum transition period. That shit was painful.

* One of them literally made this... thing, by the way.]]>
I'd hop into their IRC Chat if I were you. I honestly wish they'd get more attention for what they're doing, especially around these parts - and particularly with how they were shafted by Mozilla themselves and effectively kicked off their infrastructure around the FF Quantum transition period. That shit was painful.

* One of them literally made this... thing, by the way.]]> <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: New shitty Discord update, and the better alternative. :: Reply by Dustman0192]]> 2026-04-10T16:56:19+00:00 2026-04-10T16:56:19+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=953&p=8728#p8728 <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: New shitty Discord update, and the better alternative. :: Reply by Niko]]> 2026-04-11T11:39:11+00:00 2026-04-11T11:39:11+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=953&p=8742#p8742
Dustman0192 wrote: ↑10 Apr 2026, 16:56 What about Element on Matrix? As far as I'm concerned, Discord won't be getting any better. They'll continue to sell more of your data, they'll continue to introduce more predatory cosmetic cash grabs, so on and so forth. As far as I'm aware, they haven't IPO'd yet but, once they do, it will cause their services to further degrade.
Matrix as a protocol has some big issues too. I recommend you check out the part about matrix on this article. https://jabber.greatsword.xyz/jabber-vs-everyone.html

And yeah Discord will be getting worse, and worse. So I think the sooner people leave it the better.]]>
Dustman0192 wrote: ↑10 Apr 2026, 16:56 What about Element on Matrix? As far as I'm concerned, Discord won't be getting any better. They'll continue to sell more of your data, they'll continue to introduce more predatory cosmetic cash grabs, so on and so forth. As far as I'm aware, they haven't IPO'd yet but, once they do, it will cause their services to further degrade.
Matrix as a protocol has some big issues too. I recommend you check out the part about matrix on this article. https://jabber.greatsword.xyz/jabber-vs-everyone.html

And yeah Discord will be getting worse, and worse. So I think the sooner people leave it the better.]]> <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: New shitty Discord update, and the better alternative. :: Reply by ThatRandomToast]]> 2026-04-11T14:18:35+00:00 2026-04-11T14:18:35+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=953&p=8744#p8744 <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: New shitty Discord update, and the better alternative. :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-11T14:27:32+00:00 2026-04-11T14:27:32+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=953&p=8745#p8745
ThatRandomToast wrote: ↑11 Apr 2026, 14:18 Regarding age restrictions and ID requirements, are more companies and countries trying to follow China?
I'm not really sure what that means.
But on the surface, don't companies kind of "have to" ???
Some form of PROTECTING THEMSELVES from BAD PARENTING on account of "consumers" that were never supposed to "consume" in the first place.]]>
ThatRandomToast wrote: ↑11 Apr 2026, 14:18 Regarding age restrictions and ID requirements, are more companies and countries trying to follow China?
I'm not really sure what that means.
But on the surface, don't companies kind of "have to" ???
Some form of PROTECTING THEMSELVES from BAD PARENTING on account of "consumers" that were never supposed to "consume" in the first place.]]> <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: New shitty Discord update, and the better alternative. :: Reply by Niko]]> 2026-04-11T15:03:28+00:00 2026-04-11T15:03:28+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=953&p=8746#p8746
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑11 Apr 2026, 14:27
ThatRandomToast wrote: ↑11 Apr 2026, 14:18 Regarding age restrictions and ID requirements, are more companies and countries trying to follow China?
I'm not really sure what that means.
But on the surface, don't companies kind of "have to" ???
Some form of PROTECTING THEMSELVES from BAD PARENTING on account of "consumers" that were never supposed to "consume" in the first place.
No. They don't have to. It's the job of the parents sadly to not allow their children on these platforms. The companies are only doing it because 1. They love to collect as much user data as possible to later sell, and 2. Because the governments are telling them to do it.

Most of the blame for this entire thing happening, can be placed on bad parents giving their children unreconstructed internet access.]]>
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑11 Apr 2026, 14:27
ThatRandomToast wrote: ↑11 Apr 2026, 14:18 Regarding age restrictions and ID requirements, are more companies and countries trying to follow China?
I'm not really sure what that means.
But on the surface, don't companies kind of "have to" ???
Some form of PROTECTING THEMSELVES from BAD PARENTING on account of "consumers" that were never supposed to "consume" in the first place.
No. They don't have to. It's the job of the parents sadly to not allow their children on these platforms. The companies are only doing it because 1. They love to collect as much user data as possible to later sell, and 2. Because the governments are telling them to do it.

Most of the blame for this entire thing happening, can be placed on bad parents giving their children unreconstructed internet access.]]> <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: New shitty Discord update, and the better alternative. :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-11T15:22:08+00:00 2026-04-11T15:22:08+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=953&p=8747#p8747
Niko wrote: ↑11 Apr 2026, 15:03 No. They don't have to. It's the job of the parents sadly to not allow their children on these platforms. The companies are only doing it because 1. They love to collect as much user data as possible to later sell, and 2. Because the governments are telling them to do it.

Most of the blame for this entire thing happening, can be placed on bad parents giving their children unreconstructed internet access.
Agreed!

BUT... and I can only speak for here in the US, it's all just a bunch of smoke and mirrors, you can be a bad parent all you want, when your child of that environment commits suicide, the bad parent becomes a MILLIONAIRE by suing the company and blaming the COMPANY for their CHILD'S *mental health issues* instead of their own parenting !!!

So whether we like it or not, the company has EVERY D@MN RIGHT to PROTECT THEMSELVES from BAD PARENTS suing them !!! !!!

You can blame the company all you want.
You can blame the bad parent all you want.

Everybody has to protect themselves. No way around it!

Circular logic. Dog chaising its tail.

When bad parents sue companies and blame the company, why in H#LL would that company not prevent FUTURE LAWSUITS of the same kind ???
Which, duh!, *mandates* that these companies perform some level of ACCOUNTABILITY since the parents clearly are NOT.]]>
Niko wrote: ↑11 Apr 2026, 15:03 No. They don't have to. It's the job of the parents sadly to not allow their children on these platforms. The companies are only doing it because 1. They love to collect as much user data as possible to later sell, and 2. Because the governments are telling them to do it.

Most of the blame for this entire thing happening, can be placed on bad parents giving their children unreconstructed internet access.
Agreed!

BUT... and I can only speak for here in the US, it's all just a bunch of smoke and mirrors, you can be a bad parent all you want, when your child of that environment commits suicide, the bad parent becomes a MILLIONAIRE by suing the company and blaming the COMPANY for their CHILD'S *mental health issues* instead of their own parenting !!!

So whether we like it or not, the company has EVERY D@MN RIGHT to PROTECT THEMSELVES from BAD PARENTS suing them !!! !!!

You can blame the company all you want.
You can blame the bad parent all you want.

Everybody has to protect themselves. No way around it!

Circular logic. Dog chaising its tail.

When bad parents sue companies and blame the company, why in H#LL would that company not prevent FUTURE LAWSUITS of the same kind ???
Which, duh!, *mandates* that these companies perform some level of ACCOUNTABILITY since the parents clearly are NOT.]]> <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: Windows Network Features to disable for security :: Author the_r3dacted]]> 2026-04-24T02:12:51+00:00 2026-04-24T02:12:51+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=970&p=8917#p8917
2000/XP:
Right click on the taskbar network icon, or go to Control Panel, and click Open Network (and Dial-up) Connections.

Vista+:
Right click on the taskbar network icon, or go to Control Panel, and click Open Network and Sharing Center.
For Vista, under tasks on the left pane, click Manage network connections.
For 7+, on the left pane, click Change adapter settings.

Now you will find your network adapter(s), on these, right click and select Properties.

Now you have a list of network components/features the connection uses, and you can untick or uninstall the components/features you don't use or want. Do note that on Windows 10+ trying to uninstall these results in an error. Microsoft still hasn't fixed this, and I've heard this might be intentional even, making it so your network adapter defaults with all of the security/telemetry risks. However you can still untick them for each adapter. If you accidentally uninstall a feature you didn't intend to or want to get any of these back later, you can reinstall these features by using the Install button.

This list includes:
Internet Protocol Version 4 (TCP/IPv4) or Internet Protocol (TCP/IP)
IPv4, what the entire internet uses. It is required for network access. It can't be uninstalled.

Internet Protocol Version 6 (TCP/IPv6)
IPv6, the successor to IPv4. I don't use it, but it also can't be uninstalled, so I disable it.

Client for Microsoft Networks and Link-Layer Topology Discovery Mapper I/O Driver
Required for SMBv2 NAS, so I keep these enabled where I know I'll use it. On VMs or systems where I know I won't ever use SMBv2, I uninstall these.

File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks
Not sure what this is used for, so I uninstall it. SMB is a Microsoft network, but it sure isn't required for it.

QoS Packet Scheduler
The name and description makes it seem like you should keep it, but I've heard bad things about it in the past. Also 2000 does not have it, and network access on 2000 is completely fine, so I uninstall it.

Link-Layer Topology Discovery Responder
I suspect this may be required if you host a SMB NAS on Windows, but it's not required to access a BSD/Linux hosted SMB share, so I uninstall it.

Microsoft LLDP Protocol Driver
Windows 8+ exclusive. This sounds like an unnecessary security risk, so I uninstall it.

Microsoft Network Adapter Multiplexor Protocol
Windows 8+ exclusive, but only installed by default on 10+. Might be good if you intend to use multiple network adapters at the same time for internet access.

Excluding special configs, the only component you need is Internet Protocol Version 4 (TCP/IPv4). or if you use IPv6 then Internet Protocol Version 6 (TCP/IPv6) as well. If you use a SMBv2 NAS, that will also require Client for Microsoft Networks and Link-Layer Topology Discovery Mapper I/0 Driver. For 2000/XP, the OS doesn't come with IPv6, so you just have Internet Protocol (TCP/IP) without the Version 4. 2000/XP also only supports the insecure SMBv1 with a hard requirement for NetBIOS. It doesn't have the Link-Layer components. I don't use SMBv1, so I don't know what it needs here. If I'm not going to use SMB, or am on 2000/XP, I uninstall every component except TCP/IP, which you can't uninstall anyways.

When it comes to disabling the unused components, I uninstall them. This is mostly for convenience sake, so I don't have to untick them across every network adapter, or when I add a new network adapter, or after a driver update. When you uninstall an component, it will ask you to restart. I suggest you hit no until you uninstall every component and disable NetBIOS, which I will get into below. It will also prompt you to restart when you close the properties window, I also hit no here until I disable NetBIOS on the other adapters I have in my system.

After disabling and uninstalling these, I also go to the Internet Protocol Version 4 (TCP/IPv4) component, and click Properties, then Advanced, and then WINS. Here I select Disable NetBIOS over TCP/IP, and OK out of the windows opened. NetBIOS is a known security risk, so I disable it. You will need to do this for every network adapter though. (I suspect disabling NetBT and TCP/IP NetBIOS Helper services from our services tweaking guide would be good enough here. However you need those services for SMBv2 even though it doesn't use NetBIOS. Also it's better to ensure it's off here as well.) For other adapters, if I know I'm not going to be using SMB through them, I like to untick Client for Microsoft Networks and Link-Layer Topology Discovery Mapper I/O Driver for them. It may be more secure to use a separate network adapter, disconnected from the wider internet, for SMB.

You may also have other components not listed here, for example VMware and Virtualbox add their own components for networking. I like to disable these for adapters that I know they won't be used on. So for example, VMware doesn't try to bridge the wrong adapter and result in no internet in my bridged VM.

Then, I reboot, and the the changes are fully applied. The system will be more secure.]]>
2000/XP:
Right click on the taskbar network icon, or go to Control Panel, and click Open Network (and Dial-up) Connections.

Vista+:
Right click on the taskbar network icon, or go to Control Panel, and click Open Network and Sharing Center.
For Vista, under tasks on the left pane, click Manage network connections.
For 7+, on the left pane, click Change adapter settings.

Now you will find your network adapter(s), on these, right click and select Properties.

Now you have a list of network components/features the connection uses, and you can untick or uninstall the components/features you don't use or want. Do note that on Windows 10+ trying to uninstall these results in an error. Microsoft still hasn't fixed this, and I've heard this might be intentional even, making it so your network adapter defaults with all of the security/telemetry risks. However you can still untick them for each adapter. If you accidentally uninstall a feature you didn't intend to or want to get any of these back later, you can reinstall these features by using the Install button.

This list includes:
Internet Protocol Version 4 (TCP/IPv4) or Internet Protocol (TCP/IP)
IPv4, what the entire internet uses. It is required for network access. It can't be uninstalled.

Internet Protocol Version 6 (TCP/IPv6)
IPv6, the successor to IPv4. I don't use it, but it also can't be uninstalled, so I disable it.

Client for Microsoft Networks and Link-Layer Topology Discovery Mapper I/O Driver
Required for SMBv2 NAS, so I keep these enabled where I know I'll use it. On VMs or systems where I know I won't ever use SMBv2, I uninstall these.

File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks
Not sure what this is used for, so I uninstall it. SMB is a Microsoft network, but it sure isn't required for it.

QoS Packet Scheduler
The name and description makes it seem like you should keep it, but I've heard bad things about it in the past. Also 2000 does not have it, and network access on 2000 is completely fine, so I uninstall it.

Link-Layer Topology Discovery Responder
I suspect this may be required if you host a SMB NAS on Windows, but it's not required to access a BSD/Linux hosted SMB share, so I uninstall it.

Microsoft LLDP Protocol Driver
Windows 8+ exclusive. This sounds like an unnecessary security risk, so I uninstall it.

Microsoft Network Adapter Multiplexor Protocol
Windows 8+ exclusive, but only installed by default on 10+. Might be good if you intend to use multiple network adapters at the same time for internet access.

Excluding special configs, the only component you need is Internet Protocol Version 4 (TCP/IPv4). or if you use IPv6 then Internet Protocol Version 6 (TCP/IPv6) as well. If you use a SMBv2 NAS, that will also require Client for Microsoft Networks and Link-Layer Topology Discovery Mapper I/0 Driver. For 2000/XP, the OS doesn't come with IPv6, so you just have Internet Protocol (TCP/IP) without the Version 4. 2000/XP also only supports the insecure SMBv1 with a hard requirement for NetBIOS. It doesn't have the Link-Layer components. I don't use SMBv1, so I don't know what it needs here. If I'm not going to use SMB, or am on 2000/XP, I uninstall every component except TCP/IP, which you can't uninstall anyways.

When it comes to disabling the unused components, I uninstall them. This is mostly for convenience sake, so I don't have to untick them across every network adapter, or when I add a new network adapter, or after a driver update. When you uninstall an component, it will ask you to restart. I suggest you hit no until you uninstall every component and disable NetBIOS, which I will get into below. It will also prompt you to restart when you close the properties window, I also hit no here until I disable NetBIOS on the other adapters I have in my system.

After disabling and uninstalling these, I also go to the Internet Protocol Version 4 (TCP/IPv4) component, and click Properties, then Advanced, and then WINS. Here I select Disable NetBIOS over TCP/IP, and OK out of the windows opened. NetBIOS is a known security risk, so I disable it. You will need to do this for every network adapter though. (I suspect disabling NetBT and TCP/IP NetBIOS Helper services from our services tweaking guide would be good enough here. However you need those services for SMBv2 even though it doesn't use NetBIOS. Also it's better to ensure it's off here as well.) For other adapters, if I know I'm not going to be using SMB through them, I like to untick Client for Microsoft Networks and Link-Layer Topology Discovery Mapper I/O Driver for them. It may be more secure to use a separate network adapter, disconnected from the wider internet, for SMB.

You may also have other components not listed here, for example VMware and Virtualbox add their own components for networking. I like to disable these for adapters that I know they won't be used on. So for example, VMware doesn't try to bridge the wrong adapter and result in no internet in my bridged VM.

Then, I reboot, and the the changes are fully applied. The system will be more secure.]]> <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: Windows Network Features to disable for security :: Reply by Duke]]> 2026-04-24T02:52:16+00:00 2026-04-24T02:52:16+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=970&p=8920#p8920
the_r3dacted wrote: ↑24 Apr 2026, 02:12 Microsoft LLDP Protocol Driver
Windows 8+ exclusive. This sounds like an unnecessary security risk, so I uninstall it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Link_Layer_Discovery_Protocol]]>
the_r3dacted wrote: ↑24 Apr 2026, 02:12 Microsoft LLDP Protocol Driver
Windows 8+ exclusive. This sounds like an unnecessary security risk, so I uninstall it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Link_Layer_Discovery_Protocol]]> <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: Windows versions speed test :: Reply by Iffy-chan]]> 2026-04-28T14:19:27+00:00 2026-04-28T14:19:27+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=940&p=8950#p8950 <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: Windows versions speed test :: Reply by Duke]]> 2026-04-28T16:47:07+00:00 2026-04-28T16:47:07+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=940&p=8954#p8954
Iffy-chan wrote: ↑28 Apr 2026, 14:19 I'm not opening YouTube for this.
Because of Youtube being Google ? Then use Invidious:
https://invidious.nerdvpn.de/watch?v=7VZJO-hOT4c]]>
Iffy-chan wrote: ↑28 Apr 2026, 14:19 I'm not opening YouTube for this.
Because of Youtube being Google ? Then use Invidious:
https://invidious.nerdvpn.de/watch?v=7VZJO-hOT4c]]> <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: Windows versions speed test :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-28T16:51:56+00:00 2026-04-28T16:51:56+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=940&p=8955#p8955
Duke wrote: ↑28 Apr 2026, 16:47 Because of Youtube being Google ?
Possible, some folks are like that ("to each their own").
But I suspect it's because the user is on XP or 7 and is limited to POS browser speeds "on a good day", let alone on a heavy site like YouTube.

(edit: his profile says he runs XP x64 - so he really is limited to POS browser speeds, but I don't think he has ever revealed his browser)]]>
Duke wrote: ↑28 Apr 2026, 16:47 Because of Youtube being Google ?
Possible, some folks are like that ("to each their own").
But I suspect it's because the user is on XP or 7 and is limited to POS browser speeds "on a good day", let alone on a heavy site like YouTube.

(edit: his profile says he runs XP x64 - so he really is limited to POS browser speeds, but I don't think he has ever revealed his browser)]]> <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: Windows versions speed test :: Reply by Duke]]> 2026-04-28T18:51:09+00:00 2026-04-28T18:51:09+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=940&p=8956#p8956
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑28 Apr 2026, 16:51 a heavy site like YouTube.
That's why it's a good idea to use one of the Invidious mirrors, they call them "instances":
https://docs.invidious.io/instances/

Invidious delivers Youtube videos without the Google crap:
https://invidious.io]]>
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑28 Apr 2026, 16:51 a heavy site like YouTube.
That's why it's a good idea to use one of the Invidious mirrors, they call them "instances":
https://docs.invidious.io/instances/

Invidious delivers Youtube videos without the Google crap:
https://invidious.io]]> <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: Windows versions speed test :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-28T19:20:33+00:00 2026-04-28T19:20:33+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=940&p=8957#p8957 Most of the time, and the very ***FEW*** times that I have to YouTube, I JUST USE THE YOUTUBE SITE but with a **TON** of userstyles and userscripts.
I all but re-write the entire d@mn web site "to my liking".

I do use the below. Just tap the Escape key when a YouTube video is playing and it redirects to an Invidious instance.
More often than not though, the video just plays ***BETTER*** just sticking with REAL YOUTUBE (plus userstyles and userscripts).

Code: Select all

// ==UserScript==
// @name - YouTube 00 - Invidious Redirect
// @version 1.2.1
// @include http://www.youtube.com/*
// @include https://www.youtube.com/*
// @run-at document-start
// @grant none
// ==/UserScript==

document.addEventListener('keydown', function(event) {
  if (event.key === 'Escape') {
    var a = 0;
    setInterval(function () {
      if (a === 0 && window.location.href.indexOf('watch?') > -1 && window.location.href.indexOf('list=WL') < 0) {
        a = '//inv.nadeko.net/watch?' + window.parent.location.href.split('?')[1] + '&quality=dash&quality_dash=best';
        window.location.replace(a);
      }
    }, 10);
  }
});
]]> Most of the time, and the very ***FEW*** times that I have to YouTube, I JUST USE THE YOUTUBE SITE but with a **TON** of userstyles and userscripts.
I all but re-write the entire d@mn web site "to my liking".

I do use the below. Just tap the Escape key when a YouTube video is playing and it redirects to an Invidious instance.
More often than not though, the video just plays ***BETTER*** just sticking with REAL YOUTUBE (plus userstyles and userscripts).

Code: Select all

// ==UserScript==
// @name - YouTube 00 - Invidious Redirect
// @version 1.2.1
// @include http://www.youtube.com/*
// @include https://www.youtube.com/*
// @run-at document-start
// @grant none
// ==/UserScript==

document.addEventListener('keydown', function(event) {
  if (event.key === 'Escape') {
    var a = 0;
    setInterval(function () {
      if (a === 0 && window.location.href.indexOf('watch?') > -1 && window.location.href.indexOf('list=WL') < 0) {
        a = '//inv.nadeko.net/watch?' + window.parent.location.href.split('?')[1] + '&quality=dash&quality_dash=best';
        window.location.replace(a);
      }
    }, 10);
  }
});
]]> <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: (Tangent alert) Why does modern Firefox suck so much? :: Author wuggy]]> 2026-04-16T05:30:41+00:00 2026-04-16T05:30:41+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=967&p=8794#p8794 (Whoever thought it was a good idea to shove rust into Firefox seriously needs a mental checkup.)

For one, why does it take 3 hours to compile, whereas UXP takes 20 mins? (Spoiler, most of that is just compiling Rust packages)

And it's also compiling stupid shit like WebVR, in the WINDOWS VERSION. Maybe it would make an ounce of sense if it was on Android or something similar to that, but still, WHY?

So-called "modern" web browsers are the most stupid shit I have ever seen. All a web browser needs to do is load pages, maybe a sprinkle of JavaScript, not whatever the modern web's crap is.]]> (Whoever thought it was a good idea to shove rust into Firefox seriously needs a mental checkup.)

For one, why does it take 3 hours to compile, whereas UXP takes 20 mins? (Spoiler, most of that is just compiling Rust packages)

And it's also compiling stupid shit like WebVR, in the WINDOWS VERSION. Maybe it would make an ounce of sense if it was on Android or something similar to that, but still, WHY?

So-called "modern" web browsers are the most stupid shit I have ever seen. All a web browser needs to do is load pages, maybe a sprinkle of JavaScript, not whatever the modern web's crap is.]]> <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: (Tangent alert) Why does modern Firefox suck so much? :: Reply by Iffy-chan]]> 2026-04-16T07:21:33+00:00 2026-04-16T07:21:33+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=967&p=8795#p8795 https://digdeeper.club/articles/mozilla.xhtml

TL;DR they're more focused on controlled-opposition performative activism than building a browser. It's intentional.

As for web developers being morons, it's both a mix of agenda-ism, "smart" devices and laziness.

I wish something independent like NetSurf would get more attention, to be quite honest. I've always liked the idea of a totally independently written browser (not to mention, it's been ported to some interesting platforms, such as RISC OS and the Dreamcast).]]> https://digdeeper.club/articles/mozilla.xhtml

TL;DR they're more focused on controlled-opposition performative activism than building a browser. It's intentional.

As for web developers being morons, it's both a mix of agenda-ism, "smart" devices and laziness.

I wish something independent like NetSurf would get more attention, to be quite honest. I've always liked the idea of a totally independently written browser (not to mention, it's been ported to some interesting platforms, such as RISC OS and the Dreamcast).]]> <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: (Tangent alert) Why does modern Firefox suck so much? :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-16T11:32:21+00:00 2026-04-16T11:32:21+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=967&p=8796#p8796
With RESPECT towards members here, we have that "blind acceptance" even HERE.

I realize that I'm in the minority, doesn't mean I can't be heard. :)
I cite Firefox's background DNS (merely as a RECENT discussion herein).
These "background" connections, regardless of how "trivial" or data-centric, FORCE software firewall rules to be OPENED WIDER.
Things like "loopback" rules. I will not go into detail, research yourself! This has been a Firefox "negative" for over TWENTY YEARS.
If you use very strict parent-process-based firewall rules, Firefox has to be opened WIDER than browsers without these "trivial" DNS connections.
Call me paranoid, DON'T CARE!

To me, Firefox users are COMPLACENT and MAKE UP EXCUSES when "called out".
Forgive me for saying so, but they see themselves as "different" and "going against the grain" and MAKE EXCUSES to label it as "right".

There are some NON-COMPLACENT users - ie, things like this --
https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/browsing/firefox-users-slam-mozilla-over-controversial-data-privacy-update

But the reality is that MOST users of Firefox really DON'T CARE, they have BLIND TRUST in Firefox and create excuses when called out on it.
"But it's the lesser of two evils", or something like that.

I can't speak towards COMPILING Firefox, I have done it, but I also didn't trust my output.
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With RESPECT towards members here, we have that "blind acceptance" even HERE.

I realize that I'm in the minority, doesn't mean I can't be heard. :)
I cite Firefox's background DNS (merely as a RECENT discussion herein).
These "background" connections, regardless of how "trivial" or data-centric, FORCE software firewall rules to be OPENED WIDER.
Things like "loopback" rules. I will not go into detail, research yourself! This has been a Firefox "negative" for over TWENTY YEARS.
If you use very strict parent-process-based firewall rules, Firefox has to be opened WIDER than browsers without these "trivial" DNS connections.
Call me paranoid, DON'T CARE!

To me, Firefox users are COMPLACENT and MAKE UP EXCUSES when "called out".
Forgive me for saying so, but they see themselves as "different" and "going against the grain" and MAKE EXCUSES to label it as "right".

There are some NON-COMPLACENT users - ie, things like this --
https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/browsing/firefox-users-slam-mozilla-over-controversial-data-privacy-update

But the reality is that MOST users of Firefox really DON'T CARE, they have BLIND TRUST in Firefox and create excuses when called out on it.
"But it's the lesser of two evils", or something like that.

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DoNotThrowOldPCsAway wrote: ↑16 Apr 2026, 15:14 Anyone else noticed how fast version 148 was only for the whole speed improvement to go away in 149?
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DoNotThrowOldPCsAway wrote: ↑16 Apr 2026, 15:14 Anyone else noticed how fast version 148 was only for the whole speed improvement to go away in 149?
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wuggy wrote: ↑16 Apr 2026, 19:15 Can you test Dactyloidae against this? I want to see what you get.
Absolutely... One moment...]]>
wuggy wrote: ↑16 Apr 2026, 19:15 Can you test Dactyloidae against this? I want to see what you get.
Absolutely... One moment...]]> <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: (Tangent alert) Why does modern Firefox suck so much? :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-16T19:44:41+00:00 2026-04-16T19:44:41+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=967&p=8803#p8803 With no background or on-the-side "load" while performing test. No other apps open other than browser being tested at the time.
No extensions, out of the box, as-is, no config changes of any kind.

Comparing Dact-ae to "modern" seems UNFAIR, so I include a more apples-to-apples comparison with UXP Serpent 52 and Official Pale Moon.
I've never ran UXP Serpent 55 to know where it would fall in comparison.

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I've never ran UXP Serpent 55 to know where it would fall in comparison.

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The-10-Pen wrote: ↑16 Apr 2026, 11:32 "But it's the lesser of two evils", or something like that.
It's an extremely 'old school' attitude to be viciously anti-Chromium and pro-Firefox in technical-minded communities, which is probably a holdover from the IE6-era rivalry days... but also part of a performative/symbolic 'fuck you' to Big Tech, without realising Mozilla are very much a part of that Big Tech themselves.

'Firefox good because backed by nonprofit', and 'Chromium bad because backed by for-profit' is a very simple way of looking at things, and isn't usually correct either.

Not to mention, the way Mozilla treated the SeaMonkey team also cemented my opinion of them as a bunch of establishment crooks worse than Google could ever be. If they weren't so disingenuous about 'ooh we're the good guys!!!! please like us!!!' and just admitted they're a bunch of fucking cunts I'd probably like them just that little bit more, but as it stands, their browser is not only shite but they are also a bunch of two-faced wankers along with it.]]>
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑16 Apr 2026, 11:32 "But it's the lesser of two evils", or something like that.
It's an extremely 'old school' attitude to be viciously anti-Chromium and pro-Firefox in technical-minded communities, which is probably a holdover from the IE6-era rivalry days... but also part of a performative/symbolic 'fuck you' to Big Tech, without realising Mozilla are very much a part of that Big Tech themselves.

'Firefox good because backed by nonprofit', and 'Chromium bad because backed by for-profit' is a very simple way of looking at things, and isn't usually correct either.

Not to mention, the way Mozilla treated the SeaMonkey team also cemented my opinion of them as a bunch of establishment crooks worse than Google could ever be. If they weren't so disingenuous about 'ooh we're the good guys!!!! please like us!!!' and just admitted they're a bunch of fucking cunts I'd probably like them just that little bit more, but as it stands, their browser is not only shite but they are also a bunch of two-faced wankers along with it.]]> <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: (Tangent alert) Why does modern Firefox suck so much? :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-16T20:09:15+00:00 2026-04-16T20:09:15+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=967&p=8806#p8806
Iffy-chan wrote: ↑16 Apr 2026, 20:06 ↑
Agreed !!!]]>
Iffy-chan wrote: ↑16 Apr 2026, 20:06 ↑
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Iffy-chan wrote: ↑16 Apr 2026, 20:06 It's an extremely 'old school' attitude to be viciously anti-Chromium
OK, be 'modern' and go with Chrome then. It's well known to be much better about privacy than Firefox and the Google guys are soooo cool with all of us :D :P :twisted:

Food for thought: read about Manifest V3:
https://ublockorigin.com]]>
Iffy-chan wrote: ↑16 Apr 2026, 20:06 It's an extremely 'old school' attitude to be viciously anti-Chromium
OK, be 'modern' and go with Chrome then. It's well known to be much better about privacy than Firefox and the Google guys are soooo cool with all of us :D :P :twisted:

Food for thought: read about Manifest V3:
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Duke wrote: ↑16 Apr 2026, 21:00 ↑
AGREED also !!!

No browser is "perfect" !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!!
What "gets my goat" is when Firefox people (you?) shout "Fire" from rooftops FALSELY CLAIMING that Firefox is "the best thing since sliced bread".

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Duke wrote: ↑16 Apr 2026, 21:00 ↑
AGREED also !!!

No browser is "perfect" !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!!
What "gets my goat" is when Firefox people (you?) shout "Fire" from rooftops FALSELY CLAIMING that Firefox is "the best thing since sliced bread".

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Duke wrote: ↑16 Apr 2026, 21:00 Food for thought: read about Manifest V3:
https://ublockorigin.com
In case you missed it (because I "talk a lot", lol), MV3 is *one of the reasons* that I *hate* uBO force-included in recent 'fox forks.
Although, yeah, I probably (probably) shouldn't complain about that UNTIL (it will happen eventually, IMO) Firefox/Forks no longer support MV2.

I *intentionally* use a MV2 version of uBO.
My point here being "don't assume I'm on MV3 uBO" even on browsers that air-quotes "no longer support" MV2.
Even Chrome/Chromium Dev v146 *STILL* runs MV2 extensions. Requires a couple of hoops to jump through, but nothing major.
And hoops that geekie nerdie types that join forums like this are WELL AWARE OF. :)]]>
Duke wrote: ↑16 Apr 2026, 21:00 Food for thought: read about Manifest V3:
https://ublockorigin.com
In case you missed it (because I "talk a lot", lol), MV3 is *one of the reasons* that I *hate* uBO force-included in recent 'fox forks.
Although, yeah, I probably (probably) shouldn't complain about that UNTIL (it will happen eventually, IMO) Firefox/Forks no longer support MV2.

I *intentionally* use a MV2 version of uBO.
My point here being "don't assume I'm on MV3 uBO" even on browsers that air-quotes "no longer support" MV2.
Even Chrome/Chromium Dev v146 *STILL* runs MV2 extensions. Requires a couple of hoops to jump through, but nothing major.
And hoops that geekie nerdie types that join forums like this are WELL AWARE OF. :)]]> <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: (Tangent alert) Why does modern Firefox suck so much? :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-16T23:25:09+00:00 2026-04-16T23:25:09+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=967&p=8811#p8811
Duke wrote: ↑16 Apr 2026, 21:00 OK, be 'modern' and go with Chrome then. It's well known to be much better about privacy than Firefox and the Google guys are soooo cool with all of us :D :P :twisted:
No browser is perfect. NONE.
Yeah, every Firefox Fan always always always cites "privacy". Yawn!
Or every Firefox Fan is so GIGANTICALLY biased against anything-everything "corporate". Another Yawn!
Always confuses me as a "low to middle Working Class" with a 401k.
Serious Question - Do Firefox users have 401k's? Seriously, do they ???
My sister does NOT !!! And that's my closest reference for "Firefox user".
But my brother-in-law DOES. But he's a truck driver and doesn't even use computers, only phones and phone apps.

But anywhoo...
No browser is perfect. Some of us MUST HAVE the PERFORMANCE of ditching-the-sh*t out of Firefox.
I used to be (USED TO BE!) a Firefox Fanboy. Dead serious! Then Pale Moon when Firefox went DOWNHILL.
Then Pale Moon went DOWNHILL also!

No browser is perfect. I really do *REQUIRE* PERFORMANCE in my browser.
I always have AT LEAST *FIVE* videos playing at any given time.
Hey, to each their own, it's my way of life and I love it.
I don't scroll around on the remote during commercials, I only need to mute that video and unmute another.

It's great and I love it. To each their own. CAN'T DO THIS in crappy browsers. Just can't!

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Duke wrote: ↑16 Apr 2026, 21:00 OK, be 'modern' and go with Chrome then. It's well known to be much better about privacy than Firefox and the Google guys are soooo cool with all of us :D :P :twisted:
No browser is perfect. NONE.
Yeah, every Firefox Fan always always always cites "privacy". Yawn!
Or every Firefox Fan is so GIGANTICALLY biased against anything-everything "corporate". Another Yawn!
Always confuses me as a "low to middle Working Class" with a 401k.
Serious Question - Do Firefox users have 401k's? Seriously, do they ???
My sister does NOT !!! And that's my closest reference for "Firefox user".
But my brother-in-law DOES. But he's a truck driver and doesn't even use computers, only phones and phone apps.

But anywhoo...
No browser is perfect. Some of us MUST HAVE the PERFORMANCE of ditching-the-sh*t out of Firefox.
I used to be (USED TO BE!) a Firefox Fanboy. Dead serious! Then Pale Moon when Firefox went DOWNHILL.
Then Pale Moon went DOWNHILL also!

No browser is perfect. I really do *REQUIRE* PERFORMANCE in my browser.
I always have AT LEAST *FIVE* videos playing at any given time.
Hey, to each their own, it's my way of life and I love it.
I don't scroll around on the remote during commercials, I only need to mute that video and unmute another.

It's great and I love it. To each their own. CAN'T DO THIS in crappy browsers. Just can't!

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Also, Chromium !== Chrome. That's like saying roytam1's forks are the same as the official Pale Moon project, or that Pale Moon is Firefox itself.

Can I just ask The-Ten-Pen/NotHereToPlayGames though, why you have five videos playing at one time? How are you capable of keeping up with them all? (Not to mention, CNN and Fox News... what on earth?)

Do agree with preloaded extensions being a bad thing, as personally I think it should be up to the user, if they want to install a specific content blocker or not. Some people like uMatrix over uBlock Origin for instance or just simply dislike additional third-party content they didn't ask for.

(Also, we don't all live in the USA: the state pension pot isn't called a 401k outside the US. For the record, you might actually be onto something here in regards to the differing priorities between those who are pretty much grafting day to day and those who live a relatively comfortable life - it's easier to worry about trivial things when you're well-off)]]>
Also, Chromium !== Chrome. That's like saying roytam1's forks are the same as the official Pale Moon project, or that Pale Moon is Firefox itself.

Can I just ask The-Ten-Pen/NotHereToPlayGames though, why you have five videos playing at one time? How are you capable of keeping up with them all? (Not to mention, CNN and Fox News... what on earth?)

Do agree with preloaded extensions being a bad thing, as personally I think it should be up to the user, if they want to install a specific content blocker or not. Some people like uMatrix over uBlock Origin for instance or just simply dislike additional third-party content they didn't ask for.

(Also, we don't all live in the USA: the state pension pot isn't called a 401k outside the US. For the record, you might actually be onto something here in regards to the differing priorities between those who are pretty much grafting day to day and those who live a relatively comfortable life - it's easier to worry about trivial things when you're well-off)]]> <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: (Tangent alert) Why does modern Firefox suck so much? :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-16T23:41:46+00:00 2026-04-16T23:41:46+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=967&p=8813#p8813
Unfortunately, I need all of them. :(
I prefer to use OLDER versions. But not "too old".
My Ungoogled is still at v138. My Chromium and Chrome are both at v144. My Edge is at v146.

My city utilities (cursed they be!) never makes it past a Clouflare test on ANYTHING older than two months old!
So I keep a PORTABLE un-embedded-with-OS version of Edge basically just for paying my city utilities.

Netflix only works on Official Chrome (I'm sure it works on Edge also, I just don't because Edge consumes more RAM).

And H#LL YEAH, CNN *and* Fox! When I tell you I am "purple" and a "centrist", I really am.
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Unfortunately, I need all of them. :(
I prefer to use OLDER versions. But not "too old".
My Ungoogled is still at v138. My Chromium and Chrome are both at v144. My Edge is at v146.

My city utilities (cursed they be!) never makes it past a Clouflare test on ANYTHING older than two months old!
So I keep a PORTABLE un-embedded-with-OS version of Edge basically just for paying my city utilities.

Netflix only works on Official Chrome (I'm sure it works on Edge also, I just don't because Edge consumes more RAM).

And H#LL YEAH, CNN *and* Fox! When I tell you I am "purple" and a "centrist", I really am.
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Iffy-chan wrote: ↑16 Apr 2026, 23:29 Mozillarse
Enough said. :roll:

There are actually two major browsers: Chromium and Firefox. Any other browser is a fork of these two ones.
So using names and shouting is useless. Make your choice but don't waste your time trying to convince other people.
My choice is a recent browser + Manifest V2 as long as possible. Because I want to be able to choose what my browser has access to. That's what is really important for me and not the so-called attitude of the browser team. Because in this case I'd never use anything made by Google.]]>
Iffy-chan wrote: ↑16 Apr 2026, 23:29 Mozillarse
Enough said. :roll:

There are actually two major browsers: Chromium and Firefox. Any other browser is a fork of these two ones.
So using names and shouting is useless. Make your choice but don't waste your time trying to convince other people.
My choice is a recent browser + Manifest V2 as long as possible. Because I want to be able to choose what my browser has access to. That's what is really important for me and not the so-called attitude of the browser team. Because in this case I'd never use anything made by Google.]]> <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: (Tangent alert) Why does modern Firefox suck so much? :: Reply by UCyborg]]> 2026-04-18T00:06:25+00:00 2026-04-18T00:06:25+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=967&p=8839#p8839
  • Has UI I like.
  • Renders fonts in a way that don't make my eyes bleed.
  • Doesn't randomly crash, lag spike or memory leak.
  • Doesn't have random issues with certain extensions.
  • Performs well while not being a resource hog.
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  • Has UI I like.
  • Renders fonts in a way that don't make my eyes bleed.
  • Doesn't randomly crash, lag spike or memory leak.
  • Doesn't have random issues with certain extensions.
  • Performs well while not being a resource hog.
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UCyborg wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 00:06 They all suck. I haven't found a browser with all of the following:
  • Has UI I like.
  • Renders fonts in a way that don't make my eyes bleed.
  • Doesn't randomly crash, lag spike or memory leak.
  • Doesn't have random issues with certain extensions.
  • Performs well while not being a resource hog.
Agreed, same here.
The UI of Mypal bugs the crap out of me. Not even sure "why", to be honest.
It's some form of "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" and I just find it and those like it UGLY.

Funny thing about UI, I was watching a so-called "futuristic" movie the other day, forgot what it was already, but they had a scene where they were using NETSCAPE NAVIGATOR FOUR from the late 90's. I know I was on Netflix at the time and nothing in my watch history is older than from 2024. So some movie company in 2024 thought the imagery of Netscape Navigator 4 made the scene look "futuristic" instead of "nostalgic".

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UCyborg wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 00:06 They all suck. I haven't found a browser with all of the following:
  • Has UI I like.
  • Renders fonts in a way that don't make my eyes bleed.
  • Doesn't randomly crash, lag spike or memory leak.
  • Doesn't have random issues with certain extensions.
  • Performs well while not being a resource hog.
Agreed, same here.
The UI of Mypal bugs the crap out of me. Not even sure "why", to be honest.
It's some form of "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" and I just find it and those like it UGLY.

Funny thing about UI, I was watching a so-called "futuristic" movie the other day, forgot what it was already, but they had a scene where they were using NETSCAPE NAVIGATOR FOUR from the late 90's. I know I was on Netflix at the time and nothing in my watch history is older than from 2024. So some movie company in 2024 thought the imagery of Netscape Navigator 4 made the scene look "futuristic" instead of "nostalgic".

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The-10-Pen wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 00:26 Funny thing about UI, I was watching a so-called "futuristic" movie the other day, forgot what it was already, but they had a scene where they were using NETSCAPE NAVIGATOR FOUR from the late 90's. I know I was on Netflix at the time and nothing in my watch history is older than from 2024. So some movie company in 2024 thought the imagery of Netscape Navigator 4 made the scene look "futuristic" instead of "nostalgic".
I mean, it was futuristic when it came out. :lol:]]>
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 00:26 Funny thing about UI, I was watching a so-called "futuristic" movie the other day, forgot what it was already, but they had a scene where they were using NETSCAPE NAVIGATOR FOUR from the late 90's. I know I was on Netflix at the time and nothing in my watch history is older than from 2024. So some movie company in 2024 thought the imagery of Netscape Navigator 4 made the scene look "futuristic" instead of "nostalgic".
I mean, it was futuristic when it came out. :lol:]]> <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: (Tangent alert) Why does modern Firefox suck so much? :: Reply by UCyborg]]> 2026-04-18T09:56:24+00:00 2026-04-18T09:56:24+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=967&p=8843#p8843
My goodwill, it's pointless. Being a good person is pointless, so I will not answer such calls, not anymore.

With that said, I remember the time when using a web browser wasn't a daily grief. That time is a distant memory at this point. Then something changed, a sort of glitch in the Matrix.

Was it the death of Presto? Trident? I know Firefox kept getting worse. Modern Firefox is so bad that when I used it recently on another laptop with 4 GB of RAM, the tab would crash on me literally every 5 min. That was with mere 3 tabs at most.

Pale Moon inherited everything from when Firefox started going downhill...lag spikes, memory leaks...and adds its own issues on top. The former have been an issue since forever. My most recent grief, I cannot login to my water company's website without browser hanging if PassIFox and uBO are enabled. KeePass integration is a must for me and it's always been elusive in a way. The base responsiveness is lackluster as-it-is and it just gets worse with use. You cannot get things in REAL LIFE done without it slowing down even further. Do I even need to mention its community thinks they're so much better than everyone else?

I wanted to give Chromium a honest try in recent times, I mean for real, not just as a last resort I open for 5 min if I really must then close. But no, impossible. I thought the script for bumping font contrast actually helps with readability, but as it turned out, it merely extended the time before my eyes hurt from 5 min to 10 min. So useless.

Forks are more or less irrelevant to me as they copy-paste all the bad stuff.

So what do I do? As it is, I just suffer with Pale Moon as I wait for the better browser that will never come.]]>
My goodwill, it's pointless. Being a good person is pointless, so I will not answer such calls, not anymore.

With that said, I remember the time when using a web browser wasn't a daily grief. That time is a distant memory at this point. Then something changed, a sort of glitch in the Matrix.

Was it the death of Presto? Trident? I know Firefox kept getting worse. Modern Firefox is so bad that when I used it recently on another laptop with 4 GB of RAM, the tab would crash on me literally every 5 min. That was with mere 3 tabs at most.

Pale Moon inherited everything from when Firefox started going downhill...lag spikes, memory leaks...and adds its own issues on top. The former have been an issue since forever. My most recent grief, I cannot login to my water company's website without browser hanging if PassIFox and uBO are enabled. KeePass integration is a must for me and it's always been elusive in a way. The base responsiveness is lackluster as-it-is and it just gets worse with use. You cannot get things in REAL LIFE done without it slowing down even further. Do I even need to mention its community thinks they're so much better than everyone else?

I wanted to give Chromium a honest try in recent times, I mean for real, not just as a last resort I open for 5 min if I really must then close. But no, impossible. I thought the script for bumping font contrast actually helps with readability, but as it turned out, it merely extended the time before my eyes hurt from 5 min to 10 min. So useless.

Forks are more or less irrelevant to me as they copy-paste all the bad stuff.

So what do I do? As it is, I just suffer with Pale Moon as I wait for the better browser that will never come.]]> <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: (Tangent alert) Why does modern Firefox suck so much? :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-18T12:22:05+00:00 2026-04-18T12:22:05+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=967&p=8845#p8845
As you know, I was still on XP a year and a half to two years ago.
Time alludes me at times, but right around there or so.
But I was on x64 so I did not have the RAM limitations that most XP users have.
Nowadays, you can NOT, simply can NOT, no way, no how, you can NOT browse the internet with 4 GB RAM.
GIVE UP THAT ENDEAVOR IMMEDIATELY.

I (finally) migrated to Win10. But 2016 and 2022 versions, NOTHING NEWER!
I use Chromium pretty much exclusively nowadays. I have too many streaming apps that don't work on Ungoogled Chromium.
At least they "didn't", I should try again, I have seen more and more reddit threads on how to get Ungoogled to stream, so I should revisit.

These are the "font fixes" I use in Chromium/Chrome/Edge:

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// ==UserScript==
// @name - Fonts - Apply Text Shadow
// @match *://*/*
// @version 2.17.1
// @grant none
// ==/UserScript==

'use strict';

var isRunning;

function applyFilter() {
    var AllElem=document.querySelectorAll(':not(script):not(style):not(area):not(base):not(br):not(col):not(embed):not(hr):not(img):not(input):not(keygen):not(link):not(meta):not(param):not(source):not(track):not(wbr):not(table):not(tbody):not(tr):not(ul)')
    for (var i=0;i<AllElem.length;i++) {
        for (var j=0;j<AllElem[i].childNodes.length;j++) { // cycle through element nodes
            if (AllElem[i].childNodes[j].nodeType===3 && AllElem[i].childNodes[j].textContent.trim().length>0) {// is it a text node?
                if (window.getComputedStyle(AllElem[i]).getPropertyValue('text-shadow')=='none'){ // do not run if text-shadow is already present
                    var Col=window.getComputedStyle(AllElem[i]).getPropertyValue('color').replace(/[^\d,.]/g,'').split(',') // text color array (R/G/B/A)

                    if (typeof(Col[3])=='undefined'||Col[3].split('.')[0]=='1') { // run if element does not have an alpha channel  already applied
                        var Lum=Math.round(0.2126*Col[0]+0.7152*Col[1]+0.0722*Col[2]) // luminosity
                        var Opa=parseFloat(255*(255-Lum)/65025).toFixed(1) // opacity between 0 and 1
                        if (Lum<128) Opa=1
                        AllElem[i].style.setProperty('text-shadow','0 0 0px rgba('+Col[0]+','+Col[1]+','+Col[2]+','+Opa+')','important') // set text shadow with alpha
                    }
                }
            }
        }
    }
}

function waitAndApplyFilter() {
    if (typeof(isRunning)!='undefined') clearTimeout(isRunning)
    isRunning=setTimeout(function(){applyFilter()},100)
}

const callback = (mutationList, observer) => { // called every time BODY has changed
    for (const mutation of mutationList) {
        if (mutation.type === "childList") waitAndApplyFilter()
    }
};

applyFilter();

const targetNode = document.getElementsByTagName("body")[0]
// Options for the observer (which mutations to observe)
const config = { attributes: false, childList: true, subtree: true };
// Create an observer instance linked to the callback function
const observer = new MutationObserver(callback);
// Start observing the target node for configured mutations
observer.observe(targetNode, config);

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// ==UserScript==
// @name - Fonts - Set Minimum Weight
// @version 1.0
// @match http://*/*
// @match https://*/*
// @grant none
// @run-at document-idle
// ==/UserScript==

(function() {
    'use strict';

    var minweight = 400;

    var all = document.getElementsByTagName("*");
    for (var i=0, max=all.length; i < max; i++) {
        var weight = parseFloat(window.getComputedStyle(all.item(i), null).getPropertyValue('font-weight'));
        if (weight < minweight) {
            all.item(i).style.fontWeight = minweight;
        }
    }

})();
]]>
As you know, I was still on XP a year and a half to two years ago.
Time alludes me at times, but right around there or so.
But I was on x64 so I did not have the RAM limitations that most XP users have.
Nowadays, you can NOT, simply can NOT, no way, no how, you can NOT browse the internet with 4 GB RAM.
GIVE UP THAT ENDEAVOR IMMEDIATELY.

I (finally) migrated to Win10. But 2016 and 2022 versions, NOTHING NEWER!
I use Chromium pretty much exclusively nowadays. I have too many streaming apps that don't work on Ungoogled Chromium.
At least they "didn't", I should try again, I have seen more and more reddit threads on how to get Ungoogled to stream, so I should revisit.

These are the "font fixes" I use in Chromium/Chrome/Edge:

Code: Select all

// ==UserScript==
// @name - Fonts - Apply Text Shadow
// @match *://*/*
// @version 2.17.1
// @grant none
// ==/UserScript==

'use strict';

var isRunning;

function applyFilter() {
    var AllElem=document.querySelectorAll(':not(script):not(style):not(area):not(base):not(br):not(col):not(embed):not(hr):not(img):not(input):not(keygen):not(link):not(meta):not(param):not(source):not(track):not(wbr):not(table):not(tbody):not(tr):not(ul)')
    for (var i=0;i<AllElem.length;i++) {
        for (var j=0;j<AllElem[i].childNodes.length;j++) { // cycle through element nodes
            if (AllElem[i].childNodes[j].nodeType===3 && AllElem[i].childNodes[j].textContent.trim().length>0) {// is it a text node?
                if (window.getComputedStyle(AllElem[i]).getPropertyValue('text-shadow')=='none'){ // do not run if text-shadow is already present
                    var Col=window.getComputedStyle(AllElem[i]).getPropertyValue('color').replace(/[^\d,.]/g,'').split(',') // text color array (R/G/B/A)

                    if (typeof(Col[3])=='undefined'||Col[3].split('.')[0]=='1') { // run if element does not have an alpha channel  already applied
                        var Lum=Math.round(0.2126*Col[0]+0.7152*Col[1]+0.0722*Col[2]) // luminosity
                        var Opa=parseFloat(255*(255-Lum)/65025).toFixed(1) // opacity between 0 and 1
                        if (Lum<128) Opa=1
                        AllElem[i].style.setProperty('text-shadow','0 0 0px rgba('+Col[0]+','+Col[1]+','+Col[2]+','+Opa+')','important') // set text shadow with alpha
                    }
                }
            }
        }
    }
}

function waitAndApplyFilter() {
    if (typeof(isRunning)!='undefined') clearTimeout(isRunning)
    isRunning=setTimeout(function(){applyFilter()},100)
}

const callback = (mutationList, observer) => { // called every time BODY has changed
    for (const mutation of mutationList) {
        if (mutation.type === "childList") waitAndApplyFilter()
    }
};

applyFilter();

const targetNode = document.getElementsByTagName("body")[0]
// Options for the observer (which mutations to observe)
const config = { attributes: false, childList: true, subtree: true };
// Create an observer instance linked to the callback function
const observer = new MutationObserver(callback);
// Start observing the target node for configured mutations
observer.observe(targetNode, config);

Code: Select all

// ==UserScript==
// @name - Fonts - Set Minimum Weight
// @version 1.0
// @match http://*/*
// @match https://*/*
// @grant none
// @run-at document-idle
// ==/UserScript==

(function() {
    'use strict';

    var minweight = 400;

    var all = document.getElementsByTagName("*");
    for (var i=0, max=all.length; i < max; i++) {
        var weight = parseFloat(window.getComputedStyle(all.item(i), null).getPropertyValue('font-weight'));
        if (weight < minweight) {
            all.item(i).style.fontWeight = minweight;
        }
    }

})();
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UCyborg wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 09:56 I cannot login to my water company's website
I can't help but LAUGH and ROLL ON THE FLOOR at this one. Not because it is "funny", per se.
But because it's always my WATER COMPANY that is ALWAYS my first monthly web site that FORCES a browser update!

It's not always the same web site, but is ALWAYS one of the two.
I have two water bill payments.
I have a water company that supplies me with water and it has its own billpay.
I have a city sewer and storm water (and trash pickup) and it has its own billpay.

It is ALWAYS one of those two web sites that FORCES a browser update !!!]]>
UCyborg wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 09:56 I cannot login to my water company's website
I can't help but LAUGH and ROLL ON THE FLOOR at this one. Not because it is "funny", per se.
But because it's always my WATER COMPANY that is ALWAYS my first monthly web site that FORCES a browser update!

It's not always the same web site, but is ALWAYS one of the two.
I have two water bill payments.
I have a water company that supplies me with water and it has its own billpay.
I have a city sewer and storm water (and trash pickup) and it has its own billpay.

It is ALWAYS one of those two web sites that FORCES a browser update !!!]]> <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: (Tangent alert) Why does modern Firefox suck so much? :: Reply by the_r3dacted]]> 2026-04-18T13:06:30+00:00 2026-04-18T13:06:30+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=967&p=8847#p8847
DoNotThrowOldPCsAway wrote: ↑16 Apr 2026, 15:14 Anyone else noticed how fast version 148 was only for the whole speed improvement to go away in 149?
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑16 Apr 2026, 19:03 2026-04-16_14-56-30.jpg

2026-04-16_14-52-51.jpg

2026-04-16_14-50-36.jpg
I wonder if you could test alpha 149 builds to figure out where this dip occur ed. Could fix the issue in r3dfox.
https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/nightly/2026/01/
https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/nightly/2026/02/
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑16 Apr 2026, 21:38 In case you missed it (because I "talk a lot", lol), MV3 is *one of the reasons* that I *hate* uBO force-included in recent 'fox forks.
Although, yeah, I probably (probably) shouldn't complain about that UNTIL (it will happen eventually, IMO) Firefox/Forks no longer support MV2.

I *intentionally* use a MV2 version of uBO.
The version included in r3dfox and in the Firefox addon store is MV2 though. There is a uBO Lite that is MV3, and from what I've heard it works pretty well and can even be better than MV2 uBO, but I haven't tried it.
Iffy-chan wrote: ↑16 Apr 2026, 23:29 Some people like uMatrix over uBlock Origin for instance
Those are two different types of addons. uMatrix is not the same sort of content blocker as uBlock Origin. They're kinda made to be used together, which I do.
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑16 Apr 2026, 23:41 And H#LL YEAH, CNN *and* Fox! When I tell you I am "purple" and a "centrist", I really am.
I HATE THE "EXTREMISTS" ON BOTH SIDES !!!
Corporate controlled opposition *and* literally argued in court that they were not news and just entertainment, and argued that no sane person would take them seriously. You could do a lot better.
UCyborg wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 00:06
  • Renders fonts in a way that don't make my eyes bleed.
  • Doesn't randomly crash, lag spike or memory leak.
  • Doesn't have random issues with certain extensions.
  • Performs well while not being a resource hog.
Yeah all that comes from needing to parse the modern internet. I don't think we will ever get that.

However for fonts I would like to bring back Cairo and GDI to r3dfox. However WebRender is a shit, and I did try seeing how well the Basic compositor in 91 fares with Cairo, but it doesn't fare very well. I'd need to fix GDI in WebRender somehow.
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 00:26 The UI of Mypal bugs the crap out of me. Not even sure "why", to be honest.
It's some form of "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" and I just find it and those like it UGLY.
Out of the last three major Firefox redesigns, I prefer the Firefox 68 style the most imo. Although it's a low bar and only beats Austrailous or whatever because the tab shape isn't horrible. 89+ I hate the floating tabs and the line icons are worse, but not worse enough for me to replace them in r3dfox. Except for where it makes the downloads list horrible to check for failed downloads.

If I were to make a Mypal68 fork I'd bring a similar tab design to r3dfox, but it would be near the same for the most part, idk if I would change very much with it.
UCyborg wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 09:56 Was it the death of Presto? Trident? I know Firefox kept getting worse. Modern Firefox is so bad that when I used it recently on another laptop with 4 GB of RAM, the tab would crash on me literally every 5 min. That was with mere 3 tabs at most.
That seems like a weird RAM leak. I didn't encounter this when I tested Librewolf on my T52 with 1GB. It was just very slow, even when I accidentally ran it without a page file. Although that was on x86 Debian Linux.
UCyborg wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 09:56 Pale Moon inherited everything from when Firefox started going downhill...lag spikes, memory leaks...and adds its own issues on top.
Combination of modern internet being awful and them forking at literally the worst point. Firefox 52 was basically the end point where Firefox consistently got slower and slower every release. I feel the browser would've been better off had they just kept extending the 38 ESR codebase. Although you could still do better.
UCyborg wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 09:56 Forks are more or less irrelevant to me as they copy-paste all the bad stuff.

So what do I do? As it is, I just suffer with Pale Moon as I wait for the better browser that will never come.
Next version of Lun3r will come with Dactyloidae's performance improvements, and if things go well, both browsers should merge, so updates should be at least a little more consistent.

Going from the point before, someone should retest the Firefox ESR performance from the beginning to current day. It would be interesting to see how it changed over time. Then test alpha builds to see where the speed decreases or increases came from, maybe those could be fixed in the fork.]]>
DoNotThrowOldPCsAway wrote: ↑16 Apr 2026, 15:14 Anyone else noticed how fast version 148 was only for the whole speed improvement to go away in 149?
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑16 Apr 2026, 19:03 2026-04-16_14-56-30.jpg

2026-04-16_14-52-51.jpg

2026-04-16_14-50-36.jpg
I wonder if you could test alpha 149 builds to figure out where this dip occur ed. Could fix the issue in r3dfox.
https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/nightly/2026/01/
https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/nightly/2026/02/
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑16 Apr 2026, 21:38 In case you missed it (because I "talk a lot", lol), MV3 is *one of the reasons* that I *hate* uBO force-included in recent 'fox forks.
Although, yeah, I probably (probably) shouldn't complain about that UNTIL (it will happen eventually, IMO) Firefox/Forks no longer support MV2.

I *intentionally* use a MV2 version of uBO.
The version included in r3dfox and in the Firefox addon store is MV2 though. There is a uBO Lite that is MV3, and from what I've heard it works pretty well and can even be better than MV2 uBO, but I haven't tried it.
Iffy-chan wrote: ↑16 Apr 2026, 23:29 Some people like uMatrix over uBlock Origin for instance
Those are two different types of addons. uMatrix is not the same sort of content blocker as uBlock Origin. They're kinda made to be used together, which I do.
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑16 Apr 2026, 23:41 And H#LL YEAH, CNN *and* Fox! When I tell you I am "purple" and a "centrist", I really am.
I HATE THE "EXTREMISTS" ON BOTH SIDES !!!
Corporate controlled opposition *and* literally argued in court that they were not news and just entertainment, and argued that no sane person would take them seriously. You could do a lot better.
UCyborg wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 00:06
  • Renders fonts in a way that don't make my eyes bleed.
  • Doesn't randomly crash, lag spike or memory leak.
  • Doesn't have random issues with certain extensions.
  • Performs well while not being a resource hog.
Yeah all that comes from needing to parse the modern internet. I don't think we will ever get that.

However for fonts I would like to bring back Cairo and GDI to r3dfox. However WebRender is a shit, and I did try seeing how well the Basic compositor in 91 fares with Cairo, but it doesn't fare very well. I'd need to fix GDI in WebRender somehow.
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 00:26 The UI of Mypal bugs the crap out of me. Not even sure "why", to be honest.
It's some form of "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" and I just find it and those like it UGLY.
Out of the last three major Firefox redesigns, I prefer the Firefox 68 style the most imo. Although it's a low bar and only beats Austrailous or whatever because the tab shape isn't horrible. 89+ I hate the floating tabs and the line icons are worse, but not worse enough for me to replace them in r3dfox. Except for where it makes the downloads list horrible to check for failed downloads.

If I were to make a Mypal68 fork I'd bring a similar tab design to r3dfox, but it would be near the same for the most part, idk if I would change very much with it.
UCyborg wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 09:56 Was it the death of Presto? Trident? I know Firefox kept getting worse. Modern Firefox is so bad that when I used it recently on another laptop with 4 GB of RAM, the tab would crash on me literally every 5 min. That was with mere 3 tabs at most.
That seems like a weird RAM leak. I didn't encounter this when I tested Librewolf on my T52 with 1GB. It was just very slow, even when I accidentally ran it without a page file. Although that was on x86 Debian Linux.
UCyborg wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 09:56 Pale Moon inherited everything from when Firefox started going downhill...lag spikes, memory leaks...and adds its own issues on top.
Combination of modern internet being awful and them forking at literally the worst point. Firefox 52 was basically the end point where Firefox consistently got slower and slower every release. I feel the browser would've been better off had they just kept extending the 38 ESR codebase. Although you could still do better.
UCyborg wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 09:56 Forks are more or less irrelevant to me as they copy-paste all the bad stuff.

So what do I do? As it is, I just suffer with Pale Moon as I wait for the better browser that will never come.
Next version of Lun3r will come with Dactyloidae's performance improvements, and if things go well, both browsers should merge, so updates should be at least a little more consistent.

Going from the point before, someone should retest the Firefox ESR performance from the beginning to current day. It would be interesting to see how it changed over time. Then test alpha builds to see where the speed decreases or increases came from, maybe those could be fixed in the fork.]]> <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: (Tangent alert) Why does modern Firefox suck so much? :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-18T13:18:54+00:00 2026-04-18T13:18:54+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=967&p=8848#p8848
the_r3dacted wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 13:06
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑16 Apr 2026, 23:41 And H#LL YEAH, CNN *and* Fox! When I tell you I am "purple" and a "centrist", I really am.
I HATE THE "EXTREMISTS" ON BOTH SIDES !!!
Corporate controlled opposition *and* literally argued in court that they were not news and just entertainment, and argued that no sane person would take them seriously. You could do a lot better.
AGREED !!!
There is NO SUCH THING as "televised NEWS" here in the USA.
All we have is "commentators", NOT "journalists".
That goes for Fox, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, *ALL OF THEM*, nothing but COMMENTATORS.
"Journalism" is DEAD.
All we can really do here in the USA is listen to COMMENTS from both sides and THINK FOR YOURSELF (a lost art here in the USA!).]]>
the_r3dacted wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 13:06
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑16 Apr 2026, 23:41 And H#LL YEAH, CNN *and* Fox! When I tell you I am "purple" and a "centrist", I really am.
I HATE THE "EXTREMISTS" ON BOTH SIDES !!!
Corporate controlled opposition *and* literally argued in court that they were not news and just entertainment, and argued that no sane person would take them seriously. You could do a lot better.
AGREED !!!
There is NO SUCH THING as "televised NEWS" here in the USA.
All we have is "commentators", NOT "journalists".
That goes for Fox, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, *ALL OF THEM*, nothing but COMMENTATORS.
"Journalism" is DEAD.
All we can really do here in the USA is listen to COMMENTS from both sides and THINK FOR YOURSELF (a lost art here in the USA!).]]> <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: (Tangent alert) Why does modern Firefox suck so much? :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-18T13:24:46+00:00 2026-04-18T13:24:46+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=967&p=8849#p8849
the_r3dacted wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 13:06 I wonder if you could test alpha 149 builds to figure out where this dip occur ed. Could fix the issue in r3dfox.
https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/nightly/2026/01/
https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/nightly/2026/02/
Um, are you asking me to download a HUNDRED different nightly builds and test each and every HUNDRED ???
Well, in a nutshell - NO!

Narrow that list of HUNDRED (no, I didn't count, but those FTPs are GIGANTIC) down to ten or so and SURE, yeah, I can do that.]]>
the_r3dacted wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 13:06 I wonder if you could test alpha 149 builds to figure out where this dip occur ed. Could fix the issue in r3dfox.
https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/nightly/2026/01/
https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/nightly/2026/02/
Um, are you asking me to download a HUNDRED different nightly builds and test each and every HUNDRED ???
Well, in a nutshell - NO!

Narrow that list of HUNDRED (no, I didn't count, but those FTPs are GIGANTIC) down to ten or so and SURE, yeah, I can do that.]]> <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: (Tangent alert) Why does modern Firefox suck so much? :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-18T13:39:12+00:00 2026-04-18T13:39:12+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=967&p=8850#p8850 But I was just clicking around quickly without spending too much time to track down.

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The-10-Pen wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 13:24 Um, are you asking me to download a HUNDRED different nightly builds and test each and every HUNDRED ???
Well, in a nutshell - NO!

Narrow that list of HUNDRED (no, I didn't count, but those FTPs are GIGANTIC) down to ten or so and SURE, yeah, I can do that.
No, that's inefficient. Take the first 149 build and the last 149 build to get a baseline. Extract them, delete the update.exe and pingsender.exe so it doesn't do stupid shit. Run the browser from a .bat file containing `firefox.exe -profile Profile` so it uses a self contained profile, and test. After that baseline, go somewhere in the middle, repeat. If faster, skip a bit later, test. If slower skip a bit before, test. Narrow it down that way.]]>
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 13:24 Um, are you asking me to download a HUNDRED different nightly builds and test each and every HUNDRED ???
Well, in a nutshell - NO!

Narrow that list of HUNDRED (no, I didn't count, but those FTPs are GIGANTIC) down to ten or so and SURE, yeah, I can do that.
No, that's inefficient. Take the first 149 build and the last 149 build to get a baseline. Extract them, delete the update.exe and pingsender.exe so it doesn't do stupid shit. Run the browser from a .bat file containing `firefox.exe -profile Profile` so it uses a self contained profile, and test. After that baseline, go somewhere in the middle, repeat. If faster, skip a bit later, test. If slower skip a bit before, test. Narrow it down that way.]]> <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: (Tangent alert) Why does modern Firefox suck so much? :: Reply by Duke]]> 2026-04-18T13:41:08+00:00 2026-04-18T13:41:08+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=967&p=8852#p8852
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 12:22 I have too many streaming apps that don't work on Ungoogled Chromium.
Interesting. Which ones ?


The-10-Pen wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 12:22 These are the "font fixes" I use in Chromium/Chrome/Edge
Please can you check these pages with Chromium:
https://www.unicode.org/Public/emoji/latest/emoji-test.txt
https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Unicode/Character_reference/1F000-1FFFF]]>
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 12:22 I have too many streaming apps that don't work on Ungoogled Chromium.
Interesting. Which ones ?


The-10-Pen wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 12:22 These are the "font fixes" I use in Chromium/Chrome/Edge
Please can you check these pages with Chromium:
https://www.unicode.org/Public/emoji/latest/emoji-test.txt
https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Unicode/Character_reference/1F000-1FFFF]]> <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: (Tangent alert) Why does modern Firefox suck so much? :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-18T13:44:59+00:00 2026-04-18T13:44:59+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=967&p=8853#p8853 And every 149 since that first just got SLOWER.
I'll grab one "in the middle" (Feb 2nd) here shortly.]]> And every 149 since that first just got SLOWER.
I'll grab one "in the middle" (Feb 2nd) here shortly.]]> <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: (Tangent alert) Why does modern Firefox suck so much? :: Reply by Duke]]> 2026-04-18T13:46:58+00:00 2026-04-18T13:46:58+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=967&p=8854#p8854
the_r3dacted wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 13:06 uMatrix is not the same sort of content blocker as uBlock Origin. They're kinda made to be used together, which I do.
You may also want to check this one (remember RequestPolicy):
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tprb/]]>
the_r3dacted wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 13:06 uMatrix is not the same sort of content blocker as uBlock Origin. They're kinda made to be used together, which I do.
You may also want to check this one (remember RequestPolicy):
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tprb/]]> <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: (Tangent alert) Why does modern Firefox suck so much? :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-18T13:54:10+00:00 2026-04-18T13:54:10+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=967&p=8855#p8855 middle = 416
last = 407

That seems like enough data points to me. 149 just got slower and slower and slower with each and every nightly.

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That seems like enough data points to me. 149 just got slower and slower and slower with each and every nightly.

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The-10-Pen wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 13:44 So just from those two, the very first 149 was SLOWER than 148.
And every 149 since that first just got SLOWER.
I'll grab one "in the middle" (Feb 2nd) here shortly.
Yeah, the nightly builds are built with less optimizations (afaik could be wrong) as building with LTO and PGO and such increases the amount of time required to build. So for something they need to compile 1-2 times per day, I could see them wanting to skip that process.

It could also be that the time from last nightly to first release (I think like 1-2 months) resulted in more optimizations being added or performance reducing bugs being fixed.
Duke wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 13:46
the_r3dacted wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 13:06 uMatrix is not the same sort of content blocker as uBlock Origin. They're kinda made to be used together, which I do.
You may also want to check this one (remember RequestPolicy):
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tprb/
I don't think I've ever used RequestPolicy, and I'm not sure how this would be better. It looks like it does the same thing as uMatrix but with less fine grained control.
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 13:54 first = 452
middle = 416
last = 407

That seems like enough data points to me. 149 just got slower and slower and slower with each and every nightly.
416 to 407 is small enough that it could just be run variance. The +- is literally 39.]]>
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 13:44 So just from those two, the very first 149 was SLOWER than 148.
And every 149 since that first just got SLOWER.
I'll grab one "in the middle" (Feb 2nd) here shortly.
Yeah, the nightly builds are built with less optimizations (afaik could be wrong) as building with LTO and PGO and such increases the amount of time required to build. So for something they need to compile 1-2 times per day, I could see them wanting to skip that process.

It could also be that the time from last nightly to first release (I think like 1-2 months) resulted in more optimizations being added or performance reducing bugs being fixed.
Duke wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 13:46
the_r3dacted wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 13:06 uMatrix is not the same sort of content blocker as uBlock Origin. They're kinda made to be used together, which I do.
You may also want to check this one (remember RequestPolicy):
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tprb/
I don't think I've ever used RequestPolicy, and I'm not sure how this would be better. It looks like it does the same thing as uMatrix but with less fine grained control.
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 13:54 first = 452
middle = 416
last = 407

That seems like enough data points to me. 149 just got slower and slower and slower with each and every nightly.
416 to 407 is small enough that it could just be run variance. The +- is literally 39.]]> <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: (Tangent alert) Why does modern Firefox suck so much? :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-18T14:05:29+00:00 2026-04-18T14:05:29+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=967&p=8857#p8857
Duke wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 13:41 Please can you check these pages with Chromium:
https://www.unicode.org/Public/emoji/latest/emoji-test.txt
https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Unicode/Character_reference/1F000-1FFFF
You're on a different train of thought.
UCyborg and I have a history of discussing Chrome fonts so we just picked up where we last left off (I add this part to not end in a preposition).
We're talking about how "thin and faded" some fonts are on Chrome, we're not talking about fonts that cannot render.


Here is a 2x zoom-in *without* my font fixes:
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Duke wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 13:41 Please can you check these pages with Chromium:
https://www.unicode.org/Public/emoji/latest/emoji-test.txt
https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Unicode/Character_reference/1F000-1FFFF
You're on a different train of thought.
UCyborg and I have a history of discussing Chrome fonts so we just picked up where we last left off (I add this part to not end in a preposition).
We're talking about how "thin and faded" some fonts are on Chrome, we're not talking about fonts that cannot render.


Here is a 2x zoom-in *without* my font fixes:
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The-10-Pen wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 14:05 You're on a different train of thought.
We're talking about how "thin and faded" some fonts are on Chrome, we're not talking about fonts that cannot render.
Yes, I know. I just jumped on the train because it reminded me about Chromium having troubles to display some emojis, at least on Windows 8.1.
So I just want to know how it behaves for you on Windows 10, if possible. :)]]>
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 14:05 You're on a different train of thought.
We're talking about how "thin and faded" some fonts are on Chrome, we're not talking about fonts that cannot render.
Yes, I know. I just jumped on the train because it reminded me about Chromium having troubles to display some emojis, at least on Windows 8.1.
So I just want to know how it behaves for you on Windows 10, if possible. :)]]> <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: (Tangent alert) Why does modern Firefox suck so much? :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-18T14:22:02+00:00 2026-04-18T14:22:02+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=967&p=8859#p8859
fully-qualified = 3,948 with 3 being in the top paragraph and not really within the font subgroups
minimally-qualified = 1,033 with 3 being in top paragraph
unqualified = 247 with 3 being in top paragraph]]>
fully-qualified = 3,948 with 3 being in the top paragraph and not really within the font subgroups
minimally-qualified = 1,033 with 3 being in top paragraph
unqualified = 247 with 3 being in top paragraph]]> <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: (Tangent alert) Why does modern Firefox suck so much? :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-18T14:24:46+00:00 2026-04-18T14:24:46+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=967&p=8860#p8860 Aside from me manually counting "squares" representing an un-rendered font (which I'm not going to count, sorry).]]> Aside from me manually counting "squares" representing an un-rendered font (which I'm not going to count, sorry).]]> <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: (Tangent alert) Why does modern Firefox suck so much? :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-18T14:35:50+00:00 2026-04-18T14:35:50+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=967&p=8861#p8861
the_r3dacted wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 13:55 416 to 407 is small enough that it could just be run variance. The +- is literally 39.
While statistically true, I DISAGREE, v149 just got SLOWER and SLOWER with each nighly build.

Here's why I *DISAGREE*.
Multiple runs "cluster" and statistically indicate an accurate clustering.
In gun-shooting speak, the scores hit the nose each and every time, none of the bullets hit the chin, forehead, or ears.
A very tight CLUSTERING.

I'll redownload and test again. But again, the clustering is all on the NOSE.
That run variance is NOT what you think it is.]]>
the_r3dacted wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 13:55 416 to 407 is small enough that it could just be run variance. The +- is literally 39.
While statistically true, I DISAGREE, v149 just got SLOWER and SLOWER with each nighly build.

Here's why I *DISAGREE*.
Multiple runs "cluster" and statistically indicate an accurate clustering.
In gun-shooting speak, the scores hit the nose each and every time, none of the bullets hit the chin, forehead, or ears.
A very tight CLUSTERING.

I'll redownload and test again. But again, the clustering is all on the NOSE.
That run variance is NOT what you think it is.]]> <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: (Tangent alert) Why does modern Firefox suck so much? :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-18T15:22:31+00:00 2026-04-18T15:22:31+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=967&p=8862#p8862 I kind of have to feel like you are "making excuses" for v149, sorry, that's just how it sounds TO ME, lol.


Jan 12 v149 multiple Speedometer 2.1 scoring
1) 448 +/- 18
2) 457 +/- 7.1
3) 453 +/- 14
4) 455 +/- 14
5) 452 +/- 11
AVERAGE: 453

Feb 2 v149 multiple Speedometer 2.1 scoring
1) 448 +/- 23
2) 457 +/- 8.1
3) 448 +/- 7.2
4) 454 +/- 12
5) 444 +/- 12
AVERAGE: 450.5

Feb 23 v149 multiple Speedometer 2.1 scoring
1) 446 +/- 21
2) 450 +/- 8.9
3) 451 +/- 12
4) 448 +/- 10
5) 441 +/- 15
AVERAGE: 447.2


Q.E.D.
v149 just got slower and slower and slower with each nightly.
Sure, not "night and day" speed differences, but slower is slower is slower is slower. :)
If you want a "faster 'fox", STICK WITH v148 !!!]]> I kind of have to feel like you are "making excuses" for v149, sorry, that's just how it sounds TO ME, lol.


Jan 12 v149 multiple Speedometer 2.1 scoring
1) 448 +/- 18
2) 457 +/- 7.1
3) 453 +/- 14
4) 455 +/- 14
5) 452 +/- 11
AVERAGE: 453

Feb 2 v149 multiple Speedometer 2.1 scoring
1) 448 +/- 23
2) 457 +/- 8.1
3) 448 +/- 7.2
4) 454 +/- 12
5) 444 +/- 12
AVERAGE: 450.5

Feb 23 v149 multiple Speedometer 2.1 scoring
1) 446 +/- 21
2) 450 +/- 8.9
3) 451 +/- 12
4) 448 +/- 10
5) 441 +/- 15
AVERAGE: 447.2


Q.E.D.
v149 just got slower and slower and slower with each nightly.
Sure, not "night and day" speed differences, but slower is slower is slower is slower. :)
If you want a "faster 'fox", STICK WITH v148 !!!]]> <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: (Tangent alert) Why does modern Firefox suck so much? :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-18T15:43:22+00:00 2026-04-18T15:43:22+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=967&p=8863#p8863 But this is also taking up way too much time.
I would have to do further studies, but it seems to me that the NIGHTLY v148 is SLOWER than the STABLE v148.

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I would have to do further studies, but it seems to me that the NIGHTLY v148 is SLOWER than the STABLE v148.

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The-10-Pen wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 15:22 This is going to be my last run (at least for today).
I kind of have to feel like you are "making excuses" for v149, sorry, that's just how it sounds TO ME, lol.
I think I was thinking at this the way I do browser issues, in that it either works or it doesn't. In which there is one specific last version where a given thing works, and one first version with it doesn't. I guess that is not the case for issues like this idk.]]>
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 15:22 This is going to be my last run (at least for today).
I kind of have to feel like you are "making excuses" for v149, sorry, that's just how it sounds TO ME, lol.
I think I was thinking at this the way I do browser issues, in that it either works or it doesn't. In which there is one specific last version where a given thing works, and one first version with it doesn't. I guess that is not the case for issues like this idk.]]> <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: (Tangent alert) Why does modern Firefox suck so much? :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-18T15:58:04+00:00 2026-04-18T15:58:04+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=967&p=8865#p8865
That *and* another poster cited the same, that he noticed a speed DOWNGRADE:
DoNotThrowOldPCsAway wrote: ↑16 Apr 2026, 15:14 Anyone else noticed how fast version 148 was only for the whole speed improvement to go away in 149?

Repost of A.I. query:
Image]]>
That *and* another poster cited the same, that he noticed a speed DOWNGRADE:
DoNotThrowOldPCsAway wrote: ↑16 Apr 2026, 15:14 Anyone else noticed how fast version 148 was only for the whole speed improvement to go away in 149?

Repost of A.I. query:
Image]]> <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: (Tangent alert) Why does modern Firefox suck so much? :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-18T16:07:30+00:00 2026-04-18T16:07:30+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=967&p=8866#p8866 At any rate, not testing more for now. Got real life to attend to, lol.

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The-10-Pen wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 14:22 Well, on the unicode.org emoji test, the best way to "quantify" is a ctrl-f search and let it count the results.
fully-qualified
minimally-qualified
unqualified
This is about the Unicode codes that are being used. They have evolved over time. Some old codes are now unqualified and replaced by new ones.
But that doesn't tell me which emojis are displayed and which are not.

The-10-Pen wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 14:24 That second web site has no way for me to report a quantified result.
Aside from me manually counting "squares" representing an un-rendered font (which I'm not going to count, sorry).
I'm not asking you to count one by one. But in both pages emojis are sorted by sections or subgroups.
Just tell me which of these subgroups are displaying squares instead of emojis. Or make screen captures if you can. ;)]]>
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 14:22 Well, on the unicode.org emoji test, the best way to "quantify" is a ctrl-f search and let it count the results.
fully-qualified
minimally-qualified
unqualified
This is about the Unicode codes that are being used. They have evolved over time. Some old codes are now unqualified and replaced by new ones.
But that doesn't tell me which emojis are displayed and which are not.

The-10-Pen wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 14:24 That second web site has no way for me to report a quantified result.
Aside from me manually counting "squares" representing an un-rendered font (which I'm not going to count, sorry).
I'm not asking you to count one by one. But in both pages emojis are sorted by sections or subgroups.
Just tell me which of these subgroups are displaying squares instead of emojis. Or make screen captures if you can. ;)]]> <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: (Tangent alert) Why does modern Firefox suck so much? :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-18T17:02:25+00:00 2026-04-18T17:02:25+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=967&p=8869#p8869 And the first "video cap" exceeded the attachment size.
I'll see what I can do... But holy h#ll, how would you screencap this sh#t?]]> And the first "video cap" exceeded the attachment size.
I'll see what I can do... But holy h#ll, how would you screencap this sh#t?]]> <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: (Tangent alert) Why does modern Firefox suck so much? :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-18T17:18:17+00:00 2026-04-18T17:18:17+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=967&p=8872#p8872 That first emoji test page is ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY "pages"
Screencap #1. Page down. Screencap #2. Page down. Sorry, but F Dat.

I can capture as a scrolling video, but I get an "http error" from Board.Eclipse when trying to attach. So again, F Dat.]]> That first emoji test page is ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY "pages"
Screencap #1. Page down. Screencap #2. Page down. Sorry, but F Dat.

I can capture as a scrolling video, but I get an "http error" from Board.Eclipse when trying to attach. So again, F Dat.]]> <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: (Tangent alert) Why does modern Firefox suck so much? :: Reply by Duke]]> 2026-04-18T19:20:11+00:00 2026-04-18T19:20:11+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=967&p=8877#p8877
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 17:02 how would you screencap this sh#t?
Sorry, I thought Chromium had a built-in screenshot tool like Firefox has.
You can use free third party tools which can capture scrolling windows:
PicPick: https://picpick.app/en/download
ShareX: https://github.com/ShareX/ShareX/releases

A portable version is available for both of them.
And to reduce file size save as JPG rather than PNG. ;)

Or maybe you can print as PDF ? If available in Chromium, because Firefox also has this feature. But it may create larger files than JPG images.]]>
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 17:02 how would you screencap this sh#t?
Sorry, I thought Chromium had a built-in screenshot tool like Firefox has.
You can use free third party tools which can capture scrolling windows:
PicPick: https://picpick.app/en/download
ShareX: https://github.com/ShareX/ShareX/releases

A portable version is available for both of them.
And to reduce file size save as JPG rather than PNG. ;)

Or maybe you can print as PDF ? If available in Chromium, because Firefox also has this feature. But it may create larger files than JPG images.]]> <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: (Tangent alert) Why does modern Firefox suck so much? :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-18T19:43:25+00:00 2026-04-18T20:01:00+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=967&p=8878#p8878 Chromium has those features also! I have *ZERO* interest in the output, therefore *ZERO* interest in spending *MORE TIME* for this request.

I already use a portable third-party capture for scrolling windows, but it narrowed the width and truncated 80% or so of the screen.
No d@mn clue why. No d@mn need to replace a third-party tool that has worked for EVERYTHING else I've ever needed to capture, pic and video.

Sorry, you are going to have to find somebody else to "do your dirty work".
I have lost any and all interest at this point. If I get bored, and I mean *VERY* bored, I may revisit - but you are better off "finding somebody else".

Besides, emoji's and use thereof is for TEENAGE GIRLS and their PHONE apps. NOT for adults. Just my opinion, of course.
A smiley face or frowny face, a shoulder shrug or thumbs up emoji, sure, adults can use those.

But only a TEENAGE GIRL is going to be PSYCHOLOGICALLY IMPAIRED if a couple dozen out of three or four THOUSAND emoji's don't render.]]> Chromium has those features also! I have *ZERO* interest in the output, therefore *ZERO* interest in spending *MORE TIME* for this request.

I already use a portable third-party capture for scrolling windows, but it narrowed the width and truncated 80% or so of the screen.
No d@mn clue why. No d@mn need to replace a third-party tool that has worked for EVERYTHING else I've ever needed to capture, pic and video.

Sorry, you are going to have to find somebody else to "do your dirty work".
I have lost any and all interest at this point. If I get bored, and I mean *VERY* bored, I may revisit - but you are better off "finding somebody else".

Besides, emoji's and use thereof is for TEENAGE GIRLS and their PHONE apps. NOT for adults. Just my opinion, of course.
A smiley face or frowny face, a shoulder shrug or thumbs up emoji, sure, adults can use those.

But only a TEENAGE GIRL is going to be PSYCHOLOGICALLY IMPAIRED if a couple dozen out of three or four THOUSAND emoji's don't render.]]> <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: (Tangent alert) Why does modern Firefox suck so much? :: Reply by UCyborg]]> 2026-04-18T19:51:18+00:00 2026-04-18T19:51:18+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=967&p=8879#p8879
That water company issue is really only in combination with two extensions that I do use. And generally, I don't find local websites to be particularly demanding of features they want. I already minimize the use of the internet and really only regularly lurk on few forums. But few random sites still make the cut, Gmail, GitHub, YouTube...some of the local online shops...

I don't really feel like changing the browser at this point, I just find it to be unnecessary source of additional stress. Unless if the potential replacement is a significant upgrade without additional compromises.]]>
That water company issue is really only in combination with two extensions that I do use. And generally, I don't find local websites to be particularly demanding of features they want. I already minimize the use of the internet and really only regularly lurk on few forums. But few random sites still make the cut, Gmail, GitHub, YouTube...some of the local online shops...

I don't really feel like changing the browser at this point, I just find it to be unnecessary source of additional stress. Unless if the potential replacement is a significant upgrade without additional compromises.]]> <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: (Tangent alert) Why does modern Firefox suck so much? :: Reply by UCyborg]]> 2026-04-18T20:32:48+00:00 2026-04-18T20:32:48+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=967&p=8880#p8880 CustomCSSforFx project has come to an end as well. And https://github.com/xiaoxiaoflood/firefox-scripts earlier.]]> CustomCSSforFx project has come to an end as well. And https://github.com/xiaoxiaoflood/firefox-scripts earlier.]]> <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: (Tangent alert) Why does modern Firefox suck so much? :: Reply by Iffy-chan]]> 2026-04-18T23:18:07+00:00 2026-04-18T23:18:07+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=967&p=8881#p8881
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 13:18
the_r3dacted wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 13:06
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑16 Apr 2026, 23:41 And H#LL YEAH, CNN *and* Fox! When I tell you I am "purple" and a "centrist", I really am.
I HATE THE "EXTREMISTS" ON BOTH SIDES !!!
Corporate controlled opposition *and* literally argued in court that they were not news and just entertainment, and argued that no sane person would take them seriously. You could do a lot better.
AGREED !!!
There is NO SUCH THING as "televised NEWS" here in the USA.
All we have is "commentators", NOT "journalists".
That goes for Fox, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, *ALL OF THEM*, nothing but COMMENTATORS.
"Journalism" is DEAD.
All we can really do here in the USA is listen to COMMENTS from both sides and THINK FOR YOURSELF (a lost art here in the USA!).
Same here in the UK. In both cases, it's debatable if we ever truly had it. There's a reason (South East) England and the USA are the most hated countries worldwide, and I'm not counting a certain place in this.]]>
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 13:18
the_r3dacted wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 13:06
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑16 Apr 2026, 23:41 And H#LL YEAH, CNN *and* Fox! When I tell you I am "purple" and a "centrist", I really am.
I HATE THE "EXTREMISTS" ON BOTH SIDES !!!
Corporate controlled opposition *and* literally argued in court that they were not news and just entertainment, and argued that no sane person would take them seriously. You could do a lot better.
AGREED !!!
There is NO SUCH THING as "televised NEWS" here in the USA.
All we have is "commentators", NOT "journalists".
That goes for Fox, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, *ALL OF THEM*, nothing but COMMENTATORS.
"Journalism" is DEAD.
All we can really do here in the USA is listen to COMMENTS from both sides and THINK FOR YOURSELF (a lost art here in the USA!).
Same here in the UK. In both cases, it's debatable if we ever truly had it. There's a reason (South East) England and the USA are the most hated countries worldwide, and I'm not counting a certain place in this.]]> <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: (Tangent alert) Why does modern Firefox suck so much? :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-18T23:37:36+00:00 2026-04-18T23:37:36+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=967&p=8883#p8883
ie, today's "news channels" are 24/7 instead of back in the day where you had "news" for ONE HOUR in the morning then again for ONE HOUR in the evening.

When the "media" only had to cover NEWS for TWO HOURS per day they covered actual NEWS instead of "commentators".]]>
ie, today's "news channels" are 24/7 instead of back in the day where you had "news" for ONE HOUR in the morning then again for ONE HOUR in the evening.

When the "media" only had to cover NEWS for TWO HOURS per day they covered actual NEWS instead of "commentators".]]> <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: (Tangent alert) Why does modern Firefox suck so much? :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-19T00:02:40+00:00 2026-04-19T00:02:40+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=967&p=8884#p8884 That Fox and CNN screencap just happened to be that instance in time, that time of day.]]> That Fox and CNN screencap just happened to be that instance in time, that time of day.]]> <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: (Tangent alert) Why does modern Firefox suck so much? :: Reply by Duke]]> 2026-04-19T02:56:24+00:00 2026-04-19T02:56:24+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=967&p=8886#p8886
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 19:43 find somebody else to "do your dirty work".
No dirty work, I just want to make comparisons with the results I got.
But thanks anyway.

The-10-Pen wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 19:43 emoji's and use thereof is for TEENAGE GIRLS and their PHONE apps. NOT for adults.
I'm talking about the technical aspect of things. Why does it work in this case but not in this other case, that's what I'm trying to understand.]]>
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 19:43 find somebody else to "do your dirty work".
No dirty work, I just want to make comparisons with the results I got.
But thanks anyway.

The-10-Pen wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 19:43 emoji's and use thereof is for TEENAGE GIRLS and their PHONE apps. NOT for adults.
I'm talking about the technical aspect of things. Why does it work in this case but not in this other case, that's what I'm trying to understand.]]> <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: (Tangent alert) Why does modern Firefox suck so much? :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-19T09:53:28+00:00 2026-04-19T09:53:28+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=967&p=8888#p8888 You can regard this as a "pro", I shall regard it as a "con".
I prefer my fonts to be "standardized" - it it ain't part of my OS, then my browser *can't* use it!
I actually do that *intentionally* - some of the sub-pixel anti-alias BS fonts *literally* (not "figuratively", but LITERALLY) give me MIGRAINES.]]> You can regard this as a "pro", I shall regard it as a "con".
I prefer my fonts to be "standardized" - it it ain't part of my OS, then my browser *can't* use it!
I actually do that *intentionally* - some of the sub-pixel anti-alias BS fonts *literally* (not "figuratively", but LITERALLY) give me MIGRAINES.]]> <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: (Tangent alert) Why does modern Firefox suck so much? :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-19T10:31:43+00:00 2026-04-19T10:31:43+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=967&p=8889#p8889 YOU jump through all of the F'in Hoops to screencap that emoji test txt BS page (your first link) !!!
I REALLY do not think you fully fathom the extents of your "simple request".

Again, that F'in page is ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY "pages" in length.
Based on "Page Downs" on the scroll bar to get to the bottom. ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY PAGES !!!

My scrolling window capture narrows the page and truncates the right and left and only caps a narrow band down the center.
I suspect CSS table declaration because I can widen the capture by changing CSS on that page.
Time to update my third-party tool? Possible. But this has been the ONLY issue EVER encountered. So no, not updating because of an OUTLIER.

I capture as a video and it exceeds 10MB attachment restriction.
I can scroll rapidly and force it all into 25 seconds and come in below the attachment restriction.
But then Board.Eclipse throws a d@mn error if trying to attach.
So I .zip it. Still get the d@mn error.
So I .7z it. Still get the d@mn error.

I get P*SS#D OFF and delete the .mp4, and the .zip, and the .7z - "your problem, not mine".

You won't "let it die" (my view) so I go the .pdf route today.
24.9 MB (25,563 KB) file size to capture those d@mn ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY PAGES.
Compress it to a .7z and it's only 7.03 MB (7,206 KB) but I ran into a brick F'in wall the last time I tried to attach a .7z (so not even gonna try today).
Doing the same thing twice but expecting a different result is the definition of insanity.
I have to think that you are the insane one here, not me. :D (see, adults can use smiley emoji's)

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I REALLY do not think you fully fathom the extents of your "simple request".

Again, that F'in page is ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY "pages" in length.
Based on "Page Downs" on the scroll bar to get to the bottom. ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY PAGES !!!

My scrolling window capture narrows the page and truncates the right and left and only caps a narrow band down the center.
I suspect CSS table declaration because I can widen the capture by changing CSS on that page.
Time to update my third-party tool? Possible. But this has been the ONLY issue EVER encountered. So no, not updating because of an OUTLIER.

I capture as a video and it exceeds 10MB attachment restriction.
I can scroll rapidly and force it all into 25 seconds and come in below the attachment restriction.
But then Board.Eclipse throws a d@mn error if trying to attach.
So I .zip it. Still get the d@mn error.
So I .7z it. Still get the d@mn error.

I get P*SS#D OFF and delete the .mp4, and the .zip, and the .7z - "your problem, not mine".

You won't "let it die" (my view) so I go the .pdf route today.
24.9 MB (25,563 KB) file size to capture those d@mn ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY PAGES.
Compress it to a .7z and it's only 7.03 MB (7,206 KB) but I ran into a brick F'in wall the last time I tried to attach a .7z (so not even gonna try today).
Doing the same thing twice but expecting a different result is the definition of insanity.
I have to think that you are the insane one here, not me. :D (see, adults can use smiley emoji's)

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]]> <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: (Tangent alert) Why does modern Firefox suck so much? :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-19T10:43:01+00:00 2026-04-19T10:43:01+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=967&p=8890#p8890 This is not a "competition". I am not technically-challenged and am not computer-illiterate. And neither are you.
Even if you do "successfully" capture and attach, THAT SAYS NOTHING ABOUT MY ABILITIES.
It MIGHT speak towards your transparency in declaring this "not as simple" as your "simple request" makes it sound.]]> This is not a "competition". I am not technically-challenged and am not computer-illiterate. And neither are you.
Even if you do "successfully" capture and attach, THAT SAYS NOTHING ABOUT MY ABILITIES.
It MIGHT speak towards your transparency in declaring this "not as simple" as your "simple request" makes it sound.]]> <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: (Tangent alert) Why does modern Firefox suck so much? :: Reply by Duke]]> 2026-04-19T16:37:58+00:00 2026-04-19T16:37:58+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=967&p=8892#p8892
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑19 Apr 2026, 10:31 My scrolling window capture narrows the page and truncates the right and left and only caps a narrow band down the center.
Time to update my third-party tool? Possible.
Yes, it looks like the emoji-test page from my first link is a nightmare to capture as an image. The built-in tool of Firefox truncates a large part of the bottom and the other tools I've suggested also failed to capture the whole page.

The-10-Pen wrote: ↑19 Apr 2026, 10:31 so I go the .pdf route today.
24.9 MB (25,563 KB) file size to capture those d@mn ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY PAGES.
Compress it to a .7z and it's only 7.03 MB (7,206 KB) but I ran into a brick F'in wall the last time I tried to attach a .7z
So did I, and it worked.
Mine is 15 970 KB, 8 328 KB once compressed to 7z and yes, I also got the HTTP Error as soon as I try to attach it.
Even a 1.4 MB file failed to upload but a 932 KB file passed through. So it looks like the limit is set at about 1 MB but that's not your problem, I'm saying it for the forum admin(s).

Anyway, thanks for your efforts trying to do it :)]]>
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑19 Apr 2026, 10:31 My scrolling window capture narrows the page and truncates the right and left and only caps a narrow band down the center.
Time to update my third-party tool? Possible.
Yes, it looks like the emoji-test page from my first link is a nightmare to capture as an image. The built-in tool of Firefox truncates a large part of the bottom and the other tools I've suggested also failed to capture the whole page.

The-10-Pen wrote: ↑19 Apr 2026, 10:31 so I go the .pdf route today.
24.9 MB (25,563 KB) file size to capture those d@mn ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY PAGES.
Compress it to a .7z and it's only 7.03 MB (7,206 KB) but I ran into a brick F'in wall the last time I tried to attach a .7z
So did I, and it worked.
Mine is 15 970 KB, 8 328 KB once compressed to 7z and yes, I also got the HTTP Error as soon as I try to attach it.
Even a 1.4 MB file failed to upload but a 932 KB file passed through. So it looks like the limit is set at about 1 MB but that's not your problem, I'm saying it for the forum admin(s).

Anyway, thanks for your efforts trying to do it :)]]> <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: (Tangent alert) Why does modern Firefox suck so much? :: Reply by Iffy-chan]]> 2026-04-20T09:50:24+00:00 2026-04-20T09:50:24+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=967&p=8898#p8898 <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: (Tangent alert) Why does modern Firefox suck so much? :: Reply by the_r3dacted]]> 2026-04-20T10:04:36+00:00 2026-04-20T10:04:36+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=967&p=8899#p8899 <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: (Tangent alert) Why does modern Firefox suck so much? :: Reply by Duke]]> 2026-04-20T14:44:02+00:00 2026-04-20T14:44:02+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=967&p=8900#p8900 https://www.phpbb.com/support/docs/en/3.2/ug/userguide/posting_attachments/
https://www.phpbb.com/support/docs/en/3.0/ug/adminguide/attach_settings/

And https://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?t=2554346]]> https://www.phpbb.com/support/docs/en/3.2/ug/userguide/posting_attachments/
https://www.phpbb.com/support/docs/en/3.0/ug/adminguide/attach_settings/

And https://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?t=2554346]]> <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: (Tangent alert) Why does modern Firefox suck so much? :: Reply by Iffy-chan]]> 2026-04-20T23:34:19+00:00 2026-04-20T23:34:19+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=967&p=8902#p8902 <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: (Tangent alert) Why does modern Firefox suck so much? :: Reply by Duke]]> 2026-04-29T19:08:52+00:00 2026-04-29T19:08:52+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=967&p=8961#p8961
the_r3dacted wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 13:06
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑16 Apr 2026, 21:38 In case you missed it (because I "talk a lot", lol), MV3 is *one of the reasons* that I *hate* uBO force-included in recent 'fox forks.
Although, yeah, I probably (probably) shouldn't complain about that UNTIL (it will happen eventually, IMO) Firefox/Forks no longer support MV2.
The version included in r3dfox and in the Firefox addon store is MV2 though. There is a uBO Lite that is MV3, and from what I've heard it works pretty well and can even be better than MV2 uBO, but I haven't tried it.
Anyway, it looks like this will soon be obsolete:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2013888

https://itsfoss.com/news/firefox-ships-brave-adblock-engine/

https://www.privacyguides.org/news/2026/04/24/firefox-quietly-adds-braves-rust-based-adblocker/

Extension to manage it:
https://github.com/electricant/adblock-rust-manager]]>
the_r3dacted wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 13:06
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑16 Apr 2026, 21:38 In case you missed it (because I "talk a lot", lol), MV3 is *one of the reasons* that I *hate* uBO force-included in recent 'fox forks.
Although, yeah, I probably (probably) shouldn't complain about that UNTIL (it will happen eventually, IMO) Firefox/Forks no longer support MV2.
The version included in r3dfox and in the Firefox addon store is MV2 though. There is a uBO Lite that is MV3, and from what I've heard it works pretty well and can even be better than MV2 uBO, but I haven't tried it.
Anyway, it looks like this will soon be obsolete:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2013888

https://itsfoss.com/news/firefox-ships-brave-adblock-engine/

https://www.privacyguides.org/news/2026/04/24/firefox-quietly-adds-braves-rust-based-adblocker/

Extension to manage it:
https://github.com/electricant/adblock-rust-manager]]> <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: (Tangent alert) Why does modern Firefox suck so much? :: Reply by UCyborg]]> 2026-05-02T21:21:37+00:00 2026-05-02T21:21:37+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=967&p=8986#p8986 <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: Why does Google do this? :: Reply by Duke]]> 2026-05-08T09:19:28+00:00 2026-05-08T09:19:28+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=709&p=9031#p9031 https://www.malwarebytes.com/blog/news/2026/05/google-chromes-silent-4gb-ai-download-problem
https://www.thatprivacyguy.com/blog/chrome-silent-nano-install/]]> https://www.malwarebytes.com/blog/news/2026/05/google-chromes-silent-4gb-ai-download-problem
https://www.thatprivacyguy.com/blog/chrome-silent-nano-install/]]> <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: Why does Google do this? :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-05-08T11:18:48+00:00 2026-05-08T11:18:48+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=709&p=9032#p9032 People that use Firefox/Forks 90% of the time know how to tweak it to prevent "silent crap" but are clueless on Chrome/Forks.
People that use Chrome/Forks 90% of the time know how to tweak it to prevent "silent crap" but are clueless on Firefox/Forks.

One of the oldest tricks in the book, a lot of these types of "silent crap" can be PREVENTED by one simple trick on Windows.
ie, you can PREVENT various FOLDERS from being created by simply having a FILE present by the same name - Windows can not create the FOLDER.
ie, you can PREVENT various FILES from being created by simply having a FOLDER present by the same name - Windows can not create the FILE.

But yeah, it takes HEAVY MONITORING of your profile folder and KNOWING when something has been "added without your consent".
But this isn't just a Chrome issue.
Firefox (148+) has AI and Machine Learning that most (but not all) of its users are "clueless of what is going on behind their backs".

I would exclude any-and-all 'fox users that join forums like this. :)]]> People that use Firefox/Forks 90% of the time know how to tweak it to prevent "silent crap" but are clueless on Chrome/Forks.
People that use Chrome/Forks 90% of the time know how to tweak it to prevent "silent crap" but are clueless on Firefox/Forks.

One of the oldest tricks in the book, a lot of these types of "silent crap" can be PREVENTED by one simple trick on Windows.
ie, you can PREVENT various FOLDERS from being created by simply having a FILE present by the same name - Windows can not create the FOLDER.
ie, you can PREVENT various FILES from being created by simply having a FOLDER present by the same name - Windows can not create the FILE.

But yeah, it takes HEAVY MONITORING of your profile folder and KNOWING when something has been "added without your consent".
But this isn't just a Chrome issue.
Firefox (148+) has AI and Machine Learning that most (but not all) of its users are "clueless of what is going on behind their backs".

I would exclude any-and-all 'fox users that join forums like this. :)]]> <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: Why does Google do this? :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-05-08T11:30:52+00:00 2026-05-08T11:30:52+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=709&p=9033#p9033 PORTABLE only. With "loaders" that delete items at each and ever close/exit.

No, it's not for the "faint of heart".
But again, those folks don't join forums like this.]]> PORTABLE only. With "loaders" that delete items at each and ever close/exit.

No, it's not for the "faint of heart".
But again, those folks don't join forums like this.]]> <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: Why does Google do this? :: Reply by Duke]]> 2026-05-08T18:13:28+00:00 2026-05-08T18:13:28+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=709&p=9034#p9034
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑08 May 2026, 11:18 But this isn't just a Chrome issue.
Firefox (148+) has AI and Machine Learning that most (but not all) of its users are "clueless of what is going on behind their backs".
In this case, it is a Chrome issue. Because it downloads and install another software without any warning. 4GB! 4GB!!!
At least, the AI features of Firefox are built-in ones. AFAWK today nothing is downloaded or installed in the background.


It's even worse if you have installed Claude Desktop:
https://www.thatprivacyguy.com/blog/anthropic-spyware/]]>
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑08 May 2026, 11:18 But this isn't just a Chrome issue.
Firefox (148+) has AI and Machine Learning that most (but not all) of its users are "clueless of what is going on behind their backs".
In this case, it is a Chrome issue. Because it downloads and install another software without any warning. 4GB! 4GB!!!
At least, the AI features of Firefox are built-in ones. AFAWK today nothing is downloaded or installed in the background.


It's even worse if you have installed Claude Desktop:
https://www.thatprivacyguy.com/blog/anthropic-spyware/]]> <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: Why does Google do this? :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-05-08T18:48:26+00:00 2026-05-08T18:48:26+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=709&p=9035#p9035 But again, AGREED, all web browser consumers need to be VIGILANT. Trust No One!

Even CLAUDE has been installed on FIREFOX users' machines "without consent".
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1570565
I don't think your link even mentioned that, ie, "agenda", but I didn't read the entire thing, I admit.

Firefox has also in the past installed extensions "without consent".
ie, Looking Glass is ONE example.
https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/what-looking-glass-mozilla-blasted-secretly-slipping-mysterious-mr-robot-plugin-into-firefox-1651904

Yeah, that's an OLD example, it only comes to mind because I learned of it first as a Firefox "without consent" install and only THEN learned about, and watched, the Mr Robot tv series.]]> But again, AGREED, all web browser consumers need to be VIGILANT. Trust No One!

Even CLAUDE has been installed on FIREFOX users' machines "without consent".
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1570565
I don't think your link even mentioned that, ie, "agenda", but I didn't read the entire thing, I admit.

Firefox has also in the past installed extensions "without consent".
ie, Looking Glass is ONE example.
https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/what-looking-glass-mozilla-blasted-secretly-slipping-mysterious-mr-robot-plugin-into-firefox-1651904

Yeah, that's an OLD example, it only comes to mind because I learned of it first as a Firefox "without consent" install and only THEN learned about, and watched, the Mr Robot tv series.]]> <![CDATA[General Software & Hardware :: Why does Google do this? :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-05-08T18:57:30+00:00 2026-05-08T18:57:30+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=709&p=9036#p9036 They "consented" by NOT being VIGILANT or just using "default install configs" - ie, in my opinion, "they only have themselves to blame".
Or they are so "click happy" that they DID click to install, they just don't realize it because of being "click happy".]]> They "consented" by NOT being VIGILANT or just using "default install configs" - ie, in my opinion, "they only have themselves to blame".
Or they are so "click happy" that they DID click to install, they just don't realize it because of being "click happy".]]> <![CDATA[Browsers :: Extended support for Firefox 115 ESR :: Reply by Duke]]> 2026-04-21T20:46:40+00:00 2026-04-21T20:46:40+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=748&p=8904#p8904 https://download.cdn.mozilla.net/pub/firefox/releases/115.35.0esr/

Release notes:
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/115.35.0/releasenotes/]]> https://download.cdn.mozilla.net/pub/firefox/releases/115.35.0esr/

Release notes:
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Duke wrote: ↑11 Mar 2026, 20:10 Mozilla has decided to extend Windows 7 & 8 support for Firefox 115 ESR until the end of August 2026:
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-users-windows-7-8-and-81-moving-extended-support

https://whattrainisitnow.com/release/?version=esr
We have decided to extend support to ESR 115 only on Windows 7-8.1 and macOS 10.12-10.14 up to August 2026.
We will re-evaluate this decision in July 2026 and announce any updates on ESR 115's end-of-life then.
The day Firefox ends support will be the day the DFS sale ends

In other words, the day you need to buy a new sofa]]>
Duke wrote: ↑11 Mar 2026, 20:10 Mozilla has decided to extend Windows 7 & 8 support for Firefox 115 ESR until the end of August 2026:
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-users-windows-7-8-and-81-moving-extended-support

https://whattrainisitnow.com/release/?version=esr
We have decided to extend support to ESR 115 only on Windows 7-8.1 and macOS 10.12-10.14 up to August 2026.
We will re-evaluate this decision in July 2026 and announce any updates on ESR 115's end-of-life then.
The day Firefox ends support will be the day the DFS sale ends

In other words, the day you need to buy a new sofa]]> <![CDATA[Browsers :: Extended support for Firefox 115 ESR :: Reply by Duke]]> 2026-04-28T16:37:52+00:00 2026-04-28T16:37:52+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=748&p=8953#p8953 https://download.cdn.mozilla.net/pub/firefox/releases/115.35.1esr/

Release notes:
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/115.35.1/releasenotes/]]> https://download.cdn.mozilla.net/pub/firefox/releases/115.35.1esr/

Release notes:
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/115.35.1/releasenotes/]]> <![CDATA[Browsers :: Extended support for Firefox 115 ESR :: Reply by Duke]]> 2026-05-07T20:34:24+00:00 2026-05-07T20:34:24+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=748&p=9021#p9021 https://download.cdn.mozilla.net/pub/firefox/releases/115.35.2esr/

Release notes:
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/115.35.2/releasenotes/]]> https://download.cdn.mozilla.net/pub/firefox/releases/115.35.2esr/

Release notes:
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Some games don't run (thanks to the launchers being a requirement, like Sims 4), but they will still install. Sims 3 will run if you execute it directly and don't go through the launcher. Stardew Valley also runs fine (but it also would run on a potato.)

EDIT: One other issue with modern Steam is the UI will freeze up on first start. It will just be blank. I think it has something to do with steamwebhelper but I haven't messed with it too much. Usually if you give it a few minutes it will be fine. This problem also affects shutting down Windows 7. It will cause Windows to hang until you cancel the shutdown and manually close Steam.]]>
Some games don't run (thanks to the launchers being a requirement, like Sims 4), but they will still install. Sims 3 will run if you execute it directly and don't go through the launcher. Stardew Valley also runs fine (but it also would run on a potato.)

EDIT: One other issue with modern Steam is the UI will freeze up on first start. It will just be blank. I think it has something to do with steamwebhelper but I haven't messed with it too much. Usually if you give it a few minutes it will be fine. This problem also affects shutting down Windows 7. It will cause Windows to hang until you cancel the shutdown and manually close Steam.]]> <![CDATA[Mobile Devices :: Firefox and forks on Android :: Author Duke]]> 2026-05-04T13:26:58+00:00 2026-05-04T13:26:58+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=973&p=8992#p8992 I mean when I go to the app settings and tap on Force Stop for stopping the app then after a while, about 1 hour sometimes more somtimes less, the browser has started to run again without doing anything special. None of these browsers is the default browser of the system.

I've tried to use AutoStarts on my rooted device and I've disabled every permission but it still happens. The only way is to force stop the app then to reboot my phone and it won't happen, until I use one of the browsers.
Any idea about to stop this behavior ?]]> I mean when I go to the app settings and tap on Force Stop for stopping the app then after a while, about 1 hour sometimes more somtimes less, the browser has started to run again without doing anything special. None of these browsers is the default browser of the system.

I've tried to use AutoStarts on my rooted device and I've disabled every permission but it still happens. The only way is to force stop the app then to reboot my phone and it won't happen, until I use one of the browsers.
Any idea about to stop this behavior ?]]> <![CDATA[Windows 7 & Server 2008 R2 :: Services tweaking guide for Windows 7 :: Reply by the_r3dacted]]> 2026-04-24T00:17:09+00:00 2026-04-24T00:17:09+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=686&p=8916#p8916
Also something I've been meaning to try but just never have gotten around to it is using NFS instead of SMB for NAS, and seeing if the Workstation service and TCP/IP NetBIOS Helper service can be disabled when using NFS.

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Also something I've been meaning to try but just never have gotten around to it is using NFS instead of SMB for NAS, and seeing if the Workstation service and TCP/IP NetBIOS Helper service can be disabled when using NFS.

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For the source directory, in 150, Mozilla added new code that generates paths that are too long for the default GitHub Desktop clone directory (%userprofile%/GitHub/r3dfox), so you'll need to move this somewhere shorter. For my VMs, I've moved it to C:/Projects/r3dfox to resolve the issue.

For MozillaBuild, if you followed this a while ago, you're probably on 4.1 and you should probably upgrade to 4.2.1, although I was able to compile 150 with 4.1 so it's not that big of a concern. It's just a good idea to keep it up to date in case Mozilla breaks compatibility with older versions.]]>
For the source directory, in 150, Mozilla added new code that generates paths that are too long for the default GitHub Desktop clone directory (%userprofile%/GitHub/r3dfox), so you'll need to move this somewhere shorter. For my VMs, I've moved it to C:/Projects/r3dfox to resolve the issue.

For MozillaBuild, if you followed this a while ago, you're probably on 4.1 and you should probably upgrade to 4.2.1, although I was able to compile 150 with 4.1 so it's not that big of a concern. It's just a good idea to keep it up to date in case Mozilla breaks compatibility with older versions.]]> <![CDATA[Eclipse r3dfox browser :: r3dfox, a modern Firefox based web browser for Windows Vista, 7, and 8! :: Reply by Duke]]> 2026-04-09T19:40:33+00:00 2026-04-09T19:40:33+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=623&p=8721#p8721
Duke wrote: ↑08 Apr 2026, 13:32
Duke wrote: ↑08 Apr 2026, 10:13 I've noticed that some settings have been changed after updating from v149 beta to v149.0.2 like the warning before opening about:config, network.captive-portal-service.enabled or Safe Browsing.
Very annoying.
On top of that I've just noticed that R3dfox keeps on connecting to detectportal.firefox.com every time I open a new window (Ctrl+N) even though network.captive-portal-service.enabled is set to false.
This never ever happened with previous versions, not even with v149 beta :evil:

Correction:
It was there in v149 beta but not in v148.0.2 and previous versions.
I always backup before updating and I've just checked all of these versions.

Update:
Even worse, I have removed the http://detectportal.firefox.com/canonical.html URL from captivedetect.canonicalURL setting and it still connects to detectportal.firefox.com !
WTH is going on ?
I had to set network.connectivity-service.enabled to false.]]>
Duke wrote: ↑08 Apr 2026, 13:32
Duke wrote: ↑08 Apr 2026, 10:13 I've noticed that some settings have been changed after updating from v149 beta to v149.0.2 like the warning before opening about:config, network.captive-portal-service.enabled or Safe Browsing.
Very annoying.
On top of that I've just noticed that R3dfox keeps on connecting to detectportal.firefox.com every time I open a new window (Ctrl+N) even though network.captive-portal-service.enabled is set to false.
This never ever happened with previous versions, not even with v149 beta :evil:

Correction:
It was there in v149 beta but not in v148.0.2 and previous versions.
I always backup before updating and I've just checked all of these versions.

Update:
Even worse, I have removed the http://detectportal.firefox.com/canonical.html URL from captivedetect.canonicalURL setting and it still connects to detectportal.firefox.com !
WTH is going on ?
I had to set network.connectivity-service.enabled to false.]]> <![CDATA[Eclipse r3dfox browser :: r3dfox, a modern Firefox based web browser for Windows Vista, 7, and 8! :: Reply by GoodConscience]]> 2026-04-09T20:41:38+00:00 2026-04-09T20:41:38+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=623&p=8723#p8723
Duke wrote: ↑09 Apr 2026, 19:40 I had to set network.connectivity-service.enabled to false.
https://firefox-source-docs.mozilla.org/networking/connectivity_checking.html
The NetworkConnectivityService will periodically connect to the same URL we use for captive portal detection, but will restrict its preferences to either IPv4 or IPv6.
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Duke wrote: ↑09 Apr 2026, 19:40 I had to set network.connectivity-service.enabled to false.
https://firefox-source-docs.mozilla.org/networking/connectivity_checking.html
The NetworkConnectivityService will periodically connect to the same URL we use for captive portal detection, but will restrict its preferences to either IPv4 or IPv6.
]]> <![CDATA[Eclipse r3dfox browser :: r3dfox, a modern Firefox based web browser for Windows Vista, 7, and 8! :: Reply by Nobody]]> 2026-04-12T23:30:29+00:00 2026-04-12T23:30:29+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=623&p=8762#p8762 Here is information about an error that has not occurred before.
On Windows 7, 32-bit, I tried to update from version 147.0.1 to 149.0.2. It didn't work. I got the error message:
"r3dfox has stopped working. A problem prevented this program from running correctly. Close the program."
The cause of the error was the following setting in user.js: "dom.enable_resource_timing", false.
After removing this entry, the update was successful.]]> Here is information about an error that has not occurred before.
On Windows 7, 32-bit, I tried to update from version 147.0.1 to 149.0.2. It didn't work. I got the error message:
"r3dfox has stopped working. A problem prevented this program from running correctly. Close the program."
The cause of the error was the following setting in user.js: "dom.enable_resource_timing", false.
After removing this entry, the update was successful.]]> <![CDATA[Eclipse r3dfox browser :: r3dfox, a modern Firefox based web browser for Windows Vista, 7, and 8! :: Reply by Duke]]> 2026-04-16T21:07:37+00:00 2026-04-16T21:07:37+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=623&p=8808#p8808
Duke wrote: ↑08 Apr 2026, 19:15
eclstedt wrote: ↑08 Apr 2026, 18:41 Waiting for an ESR release. Will there be updated ESR releases?
the_r3dacted said: "Maybe". There:
https://github.com/Eclipse-Community/r3dfox/issues/150#issuecomment-4203476476
I don't know what I'm going to do. Maybe I'll work on 140.9 ESR which will mirror a lot of changes from 149.0.2 since I'm rebuilding it.
Well, it looks like there won't be a v140.9 ESR but a v140.10 ESR:
https://github.com/Eclipse-Community/r3dfox/issues/150#issuecomment-4252984990
the-r3dacted wrote:I think I'm just going to skip 140.9. Running into issues with the patches. Will just wait for 140.10 patches.
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Duke wrote: ↑08 Apr 2026, 19:15
eclstedt wrote: ↑08 Apr 2026, 18:41 Waiting for an ESR release. Will there be updated ESR releases?
the_r3dacted said: "Maybe". There:
https://github.com/Eclipse-Community/r3dfox/issues/150#issuecomment-4203476476
I don't know what I'm going to do. Maybe I'll work on 140.9 ESR which will mirror a lot of changes from 149.0.2 since I'm rebuilding it.
Well, it looks like there won't be a v140.9 ESR but a v140.10 ESR:
https://github.com/Eclipse-Community/r3dfox/issues/150#issuecomment-4252984990
the-r3dacted wrote:I think I'm just going to skip 140.9. Running into issues with the patches. Will just wait for 140.10 patches.
]]> <![CDATA[Eclipse r3dfox browser :: r3dfox, a modern Firefox based web browser for Windows Vista, 7, and 8! :: Reply by Duke]]> 2026-04-17T10:32:19+00:00 2026-04-17T10:32:19+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=623&p=8823#p8823 BETA10:
https://github.com/Eclipse-Community/r3dfox/releases/tag/v150.0b10

Bear in mind it's a BETA version. So backup at least your profile, or more, before you update to v150 beta. ;)]]> BETA10:
https://github.com/Eclipse-Community/r3dfox/releases/tag/v150.0b10

Bear in mind it's a BETA version. So backup at least your profile, or more, before you update to v150 beta. ;)]]> <![CDATA[Eclipse r3dfox browser :: r3dfox, a modern Firefox based web browser for Windows Vista, 7, and 8! :: Reply by jassenna]]> 2026-04-18T18:41:40+00:00 2026-04-18T18:41:40+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=623&p=8875#p8875 | 2. about:profiles should work, pay attention to the destination folder path.
| -Profile "profile name" can work too.

the_r3dacted said:
| Since you're using the portable version, it basically just passes
| -profile Profile to the exe and therefore makes a "Profile" folder
| in the portable browser directory with your profile.
| If about:profiles is broken here, it's because it's being overridden here.
| If you go into (r3dfox folder)\browser, you'll find a pmundprt.mod file,
| and this controls that behavior.
| Deleting it will revert it to stock operation with a profile in Appdata.

1) Is it possible set the profiles folder r3dfox folder ?
I am using the portable version, and would like to have all of r3dfox in
one folder.
2) Is it possible to set a profile folder in the r3dfox folder as default ?
I want to be able to start r3dfox without using a command line, with the
profiles in the r3dfox folder.
I am not asking for a bespoke build of r3dfox; I want to know whether I can
configure r3dfox this way.
Thanks]]> | 2. about:profiles should work, pay attention to the destination folder path.
| -Profile "profile name" can work too.

the_r3dacted said:
| Since you're using the portable version, it basically just passes
| -profile Profile to the exe and therefore makes a "Profile" folder
| in the portable browser directory with your profile.
| If about:profiles is broken here, it's because it's being overridden here.
| If you go into (r3dfox folder)\browser, you'll find a pmundprt.mod file,
| and this controls that behavior.
| Deleting it will revert it to stock operation with a profile in Appdata.

1) Is it possible set the profiles folder r3dfox folder ?
I am using the portable version, and would like to have all of r3dfox in
one folder.
2) Is it possible to set a profile folder in the r3dfox folder as default ?
I want to be able to start r3dfox without using a command line, with the
profiles in the r3dfox folder.
I am not asking for a bespoke build of r3dfox; I want to know whether I can
configure r3dfox this way.
Thanks]]> <![CDATA[Eclipse r3dfox browser :: r3dfox, a modern Firefox based web browser for Windows Vista, 7, and 8! :: Reply by the_r3dacted]]> 2026-04-18T18:58:43+00:00 2026-04-18T18:58:43+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=623&p=8876#p8876
jassenna wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 18:41 1) Is it possible set the profiles folder r3dfox folder ?
I am using the portable version, and would like to have all of r3dfox in
one folder.
2) Is it possible to set a profile folder in the r3dfox folder as default ?
I want to be able to start r3dfox without using a command line, with the
profiles in the r3dfox folder.
I am not asking for a bespoke build of r3dfox; I want to know whether I can
configure r3dfox this way.
Thanks
I'm pretty sure the portable mode already works like that.]]>
jassenna wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 18:41 1) Is it possible set the profiles folder r3dfox folder ?
I am using the portable version, and would like to have all of r3dfox in
one folder.
2) Is it possible to set a profile folder in the r3dfox folder as default ?
I want to be able to start r3dfox without using a command line, with the
profiles in the r3dfox folder.
I am not asking for a bespoke build of r3dfox; I want to know whether I can
configure r3dfox this way.
Thanks
I'm pretty sure the portable mode already works like that.]]> <![CDATA[Eclipse r3dfox browser :: r3dfox, a modern Firefox based web browser for Windows Vista, 7, and 8! :: Reply by jassenna]]> 2026-04-20T23:17:50+00:00 2026-04-20T23:17:50+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=623&p=8901#p8901 | I 'm pretty sure the portable mode already works like that

Not exactly
- It expects profiles to be in %DEFAULTUSER%/AppData and creates profiles in a folder there (as does the installed
version).
-If started by double clicking on r3dfox.exe or on its icon in desktop, it does not find a profile and exits.
about:profiles does not find any profile in the r3dfox files folder, so it cannot make default a profile
residing in that folder.
- So, to use a profile in the r3dfox folder, r3dfox must be started form command line, with the -profiles
argument. This means opening a commnd window, starting r3dfox, then exiting the command window.
- I want to be able to start r3dfox from a desktop icon or from the program name in its folder, as any
Windows program.]]> | I 'm pretty sure the portable mode already works like that

Not exactly
- It expects profiles to be in %DEFAULTUSER%/AppData and creates profiles in a folder there (as does the installed
version).
-If started by double clicking on r3dfox.exe or on its icon in desktop, it does not find a profile and exits.
about:profiles does not find any profile in the r3dfox files folder, so it cannot make default a profile
residing in that folder.
- So, to use a profile in the r3dfox folder, r3dfox must be started form command line, with the -profiles
argument. This means opening a commnd window, starting r3dfox, then exiting the command window.
- I want to be able to start r3dfox from a desktop icon or from the program name in its folder, as any
Windows program.]]> <![CDATA[Eclipse r3dfox browser :: r3dfox, a modern Firefox based web browser for Windows Vista, 7, and 8! :: Reply by GoodConscience]]> 2026-04-21T00:14:44+00:00 2026-04-21T00:14:44+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=623&p=8903#p8903
jassenna wrote: ↑20 Apr 2026, 23:17 the_r3dacted said:
| I 'm pretty sure the portable mode already works like that

Not exactly
- It expects profiles to be in %DEFAULTUSER%/AppData and creates profiles in a folder there (as does the installed
version).
-If started by double clicking on r3dfox.exe or on its icon in desktop, it does not find a profile and exits.
about:profiles does not find any profile in the r3dfox files folder, so it cannot make default a profile
residing in that folder.
- So, to use a profile in the r3dfox folder, r3dfox must be started form command line, with the -profiles
argument. This means opening a commnd window, starting r3dfox, then exiting the command window.
- I want to be able to start r3dfox from a desktop icon or from the program name in its folder, as any
Windows program.
May I ask what version of "portable" r3dfox you're talking about? And, more importantly, where exactly have you unpacked the downloaded "portable" archive of r3dfox? Be aware that if you placed it inside %ProgramFiles%, it WON'T run in portable mode! Please read in its entirety a now archived issue from the old GitHub issue tracker:

https://github.com/Eclipse-Community/r3dfox-old/issues/340

FWIW, I wrote this comment on a "portable" install of r3dfox, where its profile directory (simply called "Profile") is indeed located adjacent to "r3dfox.exe" - but all this is "installed" on an external USB drive:

"G:\PortableApps\r3dfoxPortable\App\"

where the "App" dir contains both the "r3dfox.exe" main executable and the "Profile" dir...]]>
jassenna wrote: ↑20 Apr 2026, 23:17 the_r3dacted said:
| I 'm pretty sure the portable mode already works like that

Not exactly
- It expects profiles to be in %DEFAULTUSER%/AppData and creates profiles in a folder there (as does the installed
version).
-If started by double clicking on r3dfox.exe or on its icon in desktop, it does not find a profile and exits.
about:profiles does not find any profile in the r3dfox files folder, so it cannot make default a profile
residing in that folder.
- So, to use a profile in the r3dfox folder, r3dfox must be started form command line, with the -profiles
argument. This means opening a commnd window, starting r3dfox, then exiting the command window.
- I want to be able to start r3dfox from a desktop icon or from the program name in its folder, as any
Windows program.
May I ask what version of "portable" r3dfox you're talking about? And, more importantly, where exactly have you unpacked the downloaded "portable" archive of r3dfox? Be aware that if you placed it inside %ProgramFiles%, it WON'T run in portable mode! Please read in its entirety a now archived issue from the old GitHub issue tracker:

https://github.com/Eclipse-Community/r3dfox-old/issues/340

FWIW, I wrote this comment on a "portable" install of r3dfox, where its profile directory (simply called "Profile") is indeed located adjacent to "r3dfox.exe" - but all this is "installed" on an external USB drive:

"G:\PortableApps\r3dfoxPortable\App\"

where the "App" dir contains both the "r3dfox.exe" main executable and the "Profile" dir...]]> <![CDATA[Eclipse r3dfox browser :: r3dfox, a modern Firefox based web browser for Windows Vista, 7, and 8! :: Reply by jassenna]]> 2026-04-23T00:57:44+00:00 2026-04-23T00:57:44+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=623&p=8910#p8910 r3dfox-149.0.2.en-US.win32.portable.7z ,
created a R3DFOX folder in %ProgramFiles%
and extracted the files to it.
I ran r3dfox for the first time with the
-profile "User" argument and it created
an "User" folder in the R3DFOX folder.
When I tried to make that profile default
using about:profiles, it did not find
any profile, nor does r3dfox when I try
to run it by clicking. However, if I run
it with profile "User" argument (note
the missing - sign), it lists the contents
of the User folder.
If I understood the Github issue above,
it recommends keeping the r3dfox portable
version in temovanle media, but I use
removable media just for backups and
do not keep them attached to the
computer most of times.]]> r3dfox-149.0.2.en-US.win32.portable.7z ,
created a R3DFOX folder in %ProgramFiles%
and extracted the files to it.
I ran r3dfox for the first time with the
-profile "User" argument and it created
an "User" folder in the R3DFOX folder.
When I tried to make that profile default
using about:profiles, it did not find
any profile, nor does r3dfox when I try
to run it by clicking. However, if I run
it with profile "User" argument (note
the missing - sign), it lists the contents
of the User folder.
If I understood the Github issue above,
it recommends keeping the r3dfox portable
version in temovanle media, but I use
removable media just for backups and
do not keep them attached to the
computer most of times.]]> <![CDATA[Eclipse r3dfox browser :: r3dfox, a modern Firefox based web browser for Windows Vista, 7, and 8! :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-23T02:26:37+00:00 2026-04-23T02:26:37+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=623&p=8911#p8911 <![CDATA[Eclipse r3dfox browser :: r3dfox, a modern Firefox based web browser for Windows Vista, 7, and 8! :: Reply by Duke]]> 2026-04-23T06:04:47+00:00 2026-04-23T06:04:47+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=623&p=8912#p8912
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jassenna wrote: ↑23 Apr 2026, 00:57 I downloaded this file from SourceForge: r3dfox-149.0.2.en-US.win32.portable.7z,
created a R3DFOX folder in %ProgramFiles% and extracted the files to it.
... Which, as I had correctly suspected, is where your fault lies; DO NOT EXTRACT THE CONTENTS OF THE "r3dfox-149.0.2.en-US.win32.portable.7z" ARCHIVE INSIDE %ProgramFiles% (or, probably, any other system-protected directory), else it won't auto-run in "portable" mode; this is what I already told you!

If you're not going to use r3dfox portable across different machines, the recommendation to extract to a "removable" medium (e.g USB external HDD) is not a requirement; just create the R3DFOX directory on a disk location you have write privileges for (e.g. "C:\R3DFOX") and extract the portable archive there; when you first launch r3dfox.exe without any special arguments, it will run in portable mode and will create its default profile inside a "Profile" directory adjacent to r3dfox.exe; nothing more is required on your part! You can create a desktop shortcut for r3dfox.exe and launch the browser that way, if you so wish...
NB1: "about:profiles" doesn't work in portable mode!
NB2: Portable r3dfox is NOT meant to have any file or protocol association with the rest of the host OS (e.g. be set as the OS's "default browser"); if you want that, use the "normal/standard" installer!]]>
jassenna wrote: ↑23 Apr 2026, 00:57 I downloaded this file from SourceForge: r3dfox-149.0.2.en-US.win32.portable.7z,
created a R3DFOX folder in %ProgramFiles% and extracted the files to it.
... Which, as I had correctly suspected, is where your fault lies; DO NOT EXTRACT THE CONTENTS OF THE "r3dfox-149.0.2.en-US.win32.portable.7z" ARCHIVE INSIDE %ProgramFiles% (or, probably, any other system-protected directory), else it won't auto-run in "portable" mode; this is what I already told you!

If you're not going to use r3dfox portable across different machines, the recommendation to extract to a "removable" medium (e.g USB external HDD) is not a requirement; just create the R3DFOX directory on a disk location you have write privileges for (e.g. "C:\R3DFOX") and extract the portable archive there; when you first launch r3dfox.exe without any special arguments, it will run in portable mode and will create its default profile inside a "Profile" directory adjacent to r3dfox.exe; nothing more is required on your part! You can create a desktop shortcut for r3dfox.exe and launch the browser that way, if you so wish...
NB1: "about:profiles" doesn't work in portable mode!
NB2: Portable r3dfox is NOT meant to have any file or protocol association with the rest of the host OS (e.g. be set as the OS's "default browser"); if you want that, use the "normal/standard" installer!]]> <![CDATA[Eclipse r3dfox browser :: r3dfox, a modern Firefox based web browser for Windows Vista, 7, and 8! :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-23T21:55:24+00:00 2026-04-23T21:55:24+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=623&p=8915#p8915
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I didn't have the PATIENCE to reply to that level of.. um.. let's just call it "insistence". Glad somebody else did!]]>
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AGREED !!!

I didn't have the PATIENCE to reply to that level of.. um.. let's just call it "insistence". Glad somebody else did!]]> <![CDATA[Eclipse r3dfox browser :: r3dfox, a modern Firefox based web browser for Windows Vista, 7, and 8! :: Reply by the_r3dacted]]> 2026-04-24T02:50:05+00:00 2026-04-24T02:50:05+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=623&p=8919#p8919
GoodConscience wrote: ↑23 Apr 2026, 21:47 NB2: Portable r3dfox is NOT meant to have any file or protocol association with the rest of the host OS (e.g. be set as the OS's "default browser"); if you want that, use the "normal/standard" installer!
Actually this is incorrect. pmundprt mode (the way portable mode ships) works completely fine as the default browser. Only pmprt mode breaks if used as default browser.]]>
GoodConscience wrote: ↑23 Apr 2026, 21:47 NB2: Portable r3dfox is NOT meant to have any file or protocol association with the rest of the host OS (e.g. be set as the OS's "default browser"); if you want that, use the "normal/standard" installer!
Actually this is incorrect. pmundprt mode (the way portable mode ships) works completely fine as the default browser. Only pmprt mode breaks if used as default browser.]]> <![CDATA[Eclipse r3dfox browser :: r3dfox, a modern Firefox based web browser for Windows Vista, 7, and 8! :: Reply by GoodConscience]]> 2026-04-24T23:06:08+00:00 2026-04-24T23:06:08+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=623&p=8926#p8926
the_r3dacted wrote: ↑24 Apr 2026, 02:50 Actually this is incorrect. pmundprt mode (the way portable mode ships) works completely fine as the default browser. Only pmprt mode breaks if used as default browser.
Thanks for this clarification, which I realised I had forgotten about after you pointed it out :oops: ; indeed, it was mentioned in the old repo:

https://github.com/Eclipse-Community/r3dfox-old/releases/tag/v128.12.0rc-hotfix
Added the rest of the portable mode code (pmprt.mod now makes the browser run in no-remote mode as it should and completely disables set as default functionality) (Normal portable mode (pmundprt.mod) works the same as before)
However, I have grown over many years the habit of treating "portable" apps in the original sense of the term, i.e. in being transferable across different devices; thus, I religiously avoid to associate in any manner any instance of a said "portable" app with a given host OS; and since pmprt.mod became available, I manually rename the default ".\browser\pmundprt.mod" file to ".\browser\pmundprt.mod.BAK" and create a ".\browser\pmprt.mod" (empty) file in its place; only then do I launch r3dfox.exe ;) ...]]>
the_r3dacted wrote: ↑24 Apr 2026, 02:50 Actually this is incorrect. pmundprt mode (the way portable mode ships) works completely fine as the default browser. Only pmprt mode breaks if used as default browser.
Thanks for this clarification, which I realised I had forgotten about after you pointed it out :oops: ; indeed, it was mentioned in the old repo:

https://github.com/Eclipse-Community/r3dfox-old/releases/tag/v128.12.0rc-hotfix
Added the rest of the portable mode code (pmprt.mod now makes the browser run in no-remote mode as it should and completely disables set as default functionality) (Normal portable mode (pmundprt.mod) works the same as before)
However, I have grown over many years the habit of treating "portable" apps in the original sense of the term, i.e. in being transferable across different devices; thus, I religiously avoid to associate in any manner any instance of a said "portable" app with a given host OS; and since pmprt.mod became available, I manually rename the default ".\browser\pmundprt.mod" file to ".\browser\pmundprt.mod.BAK" and create a ".\browser\pmprt.mod" (empty) file in its place; only then do I launch r3dfox.exe ;) ...]]> <![CDATA[Eclipse r3dfox browser :: r3dfox, a modern Firefox based web browser for Windows Vista, 7, and 8! :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-24T23:22:16+00:00 2026-04-24T23:22:16+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=623&p=8927#p8927
GoodConscience wrote: ↑24 Apr 2026, 23:06 However, I have grown over many years the habit of treating "portable" apps in the original sense of the term, i.e. in being transferable across different devices; thus, I religiously avoid to associate in any manner any instance of a said "portable" app with a given host OS;
Agreed! Same here!
In fact, my OS has no "default browser" of any kind!
It's become my default config for a good twenty years or so, maybe even thirty.
Got too ticked off with how "installers" would launch a 'default web browser' and advertise other products or whatnot.
So now I configure all of my OS's to *NOT* have *ANY* 'default web brower'.
Installers *CAN'T* open any web page because there is **NO** web browser configured to "handle" that UNSOLICITED request.
Email links *CAN'T* open any web page, links embedded in .pdf's or .ppt's or you-name-it *CAN'T* open any web page.
Works great for me! Though I suppose 'not for all'.]]>
GoodConscience wrote: ↑24 Apr 2026, 23:06 However, I have grown over many years the habit of treating "portable" apps in the original sense of the term, i.e. in being transferable across different devices; thus, I religiously avoid to associate in any manner any instance of a said "portable" app with a given host OS;
Agreed! Same here!
In fact, my OS has no "default browser" of any kind!
It's become my default config for a good twenty years or so, maybe even thirty.
Got too ticked off with how "installers" would launch a 'default web browser' and advertise other products or whatnot.
So now I configure all of my OS's to *NOT* have *ANY* 'default web brower'.
Installers *CAN'T* open any web page because there is **NO** web browser configured to "handle" that UNSOLICITED request.
Email links *CAN'T* open any web page, links embedded in .pdf's or .ppt's or you-name-it *CAN'T* open any web page.
Works great for me! Though I suppose 'not for all'.]]> <![CDATA[Eclipse r3dfox browser :: r3dfox, a modern Firefox based web browser for Windows Vista, 7, and 8! :: Reply by Duke]]> 2026-04-26T16:18:28+00:00 2026-04-26T16:18:28+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=623&p=8934#p8934
Duke wrote: ↑23 Apr 2026, 06:04 With R3dfox 150.0b10 DNS over HTTPS settings for various options can't be opened when you click on the down arrow so you can't change the settings
Another annoyance with R3dfox 150.0b10: the calculation of the browsing data seems to be stuck:

R3dfox 150.0b10:

R3dfox-150-BrowsingData.png

R3dfox 149.0.2:

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Duke wrote: ↑23 Apr 2026, 06:04 With R3dfox 150.0b10 DNS over HTTPS settings for various options can't be opened when you click on the down arrow so you can't change the settings
Another annoyance with R3dfox 150.0b10: the calculation of the browsing data seems to be stuck:

R3dfox 150.0b10:

R3dfox-150-BrowsingData.png

R3dfox 149.0.2:

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Duke wrote: ↑26 Apr 2026, 16:18
Duke wrote: ↑23 Apr 2026, 06:04 With R3dfox 150.0b10 DNS over HTTPS settings for various options can't be opened when you click on the down arrow so you can't change the settings
Another annoyance with R3dfox 150.0b10: the calculation of the browsing data seems to be stuck
Calculation maybe stuck because the cookies setting of the custom Enhanced Tracking Protection is also broken. It's blank, showing no setting, and if you click on the down arrow and select an option in the list then the Cookies box becomes disabled and if you tick it back again then network.cookie.cookieBehavior is set to 0.

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Duke wrote: ↑26 Apr 2026, 16:18
Duke wrote: ↑23 Apr 2026, 06:04 With R3dfox 150.0b10 DNS over HTTPS settings for various options can't be opened when you click on the down arrow so you can't change the settings
Another annoyance with R3dfox 150.0b10: the calculation of the browsing data seems to be stuck
Calculation maybe stuck because the cookies setting of the custom Enhanced Tracking Protection is also broken. It's blank, showing no setting, and if you click on the down arrow and select an option in the list then the Cookies box becomes disabled and if you tick it back again then network.cookie.cookieBehavior is set to 0.

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It seems to be so critical that they have even updated the ESR versions, which is not usual.]]> https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/security/advisories/mfsa2026-35/

It seems to be so critical that they have even updated the ESR versions, which is not usual.]]> <![CDATA[Eclipse r3dfox browser :: r3dfox, a modern Firefox based web browser for Windows Vista, 7, and 8! :: Reply by Duke]]> 2026-05-04T08:10:19+00:00 2026-05-04T08:10:19+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=623&p=8991#p8991 https://github.com/Eclipse-Community/r3dfox/releases/tag/v150.0.1

:thumbup:]]> https://github.com/Eclipse-Community/r3dfox/releases/tag/v150.0.1

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But in about:networking with R3dfox v150.0.1 I'm seeing UDP being used:

R3dfox150-DoH-UDP.png


While I'm seeing this with R3dfox v148.0.2, TCP being used:

R3dfox148-DoH-TCP.png

Notice that Quad9 (9.9.9.9) is also the system default DNS server of my computer. So I have the feeling that for some reason R3dfox v150.0.1 is not using the DoH server but is falling back to the system default DNS server, even though it's set to Max Protection (network.trr.mode=3) and shouldn't do that.

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But in about:networking with R3dfox v150.0.1 I'm seeing UDP being used:

R3dfox150-DoH-UDP.png


While I'm seeing this with R3dfox v148.0.2, TCP being used:

R3dfox148-DoH-TCP.png

Notice that Quad9 (9.9.9.9) is also the system default DNS server of my computer. So I have the feeling that for some reason R3dfox v150.0.1 is not using the DoH server but is falling back to the system default DNS server, even though it's set to Max Protection (network.trr.mode=3) and shouldn't do that.

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With R3dfox v150b10 and v150.0.1 it's empty:

R3dfox150-HTTP.png


It's working fine with R3dfox v148.0.2 and v149.0.2:

R3dfox148-HTTP.png


After more investigations it appears that all of these network problems started with R3dfox v150b10. Previous versions 148.0.2 and 149.0.2 are working fine.

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With R3dfox v150b10 and v150.0.1 it's empty:

R3dfox150-HTTP.png


It's working fine with R3dfox v148.0.2 and v149.0.2:

R3dfox148-HTTP.png


After more investigations it appears that all of these network problems started with R3dfox v150b10. Previous versions 148.0.2 and 149.0.2 are working fine.

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the_r3dacted wrote: ↑06 May 2026, 11:33 When you find an issue with a new version of r3dfox, also test this to see if it occurs there too pls.
https://github.com/e3kskoy7wqk/Firefox-for-windows-7/
About the HTTP version field: yes, it's the same with FfW7 v150:

FfW7-150-HTTP.png


About the DoH DNS server: no, FfW7 v150 uses TCP:

FfW7-150-DoH-TCP.png


This DoH thing reminds people complaining about R3dfox v149 crashing in some cases, IIRC when TRR mode=2.
So maybe something happened in this version because I've also noticed my R3dfox v149.0.2 using both TCP and UDP with the DoH server:

R3dfox149-DoH-Both.png

With R3dfox v149.0.2 some sites are also using UDP connections for some reason:

R3dfox149-UDP-Sites.png

So it seems that e3kskoy7wqk is fiddling with the network settings, which brings this question: Why ? Why is he doing that ?
You don't do things without a reason so what is the reason which justifies touching / modifying the network settings ?
:think:

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the_r3dacted wrote: ↑06 May 2026, 11:33 When you find an issue with a new version of r3dfox, also test this to see if it occurs there too pls.
https://github.com/e3kskoy7wqk/Firefox-for-windows-7/
About the HTTP version field: yes, it's the same with FfW7 v150:

FfW7-150-HTTP.png


About the DoH DNS server: no, FfW7 v150 uses TCP:

FfW7-150-DoH-TCP.png


This DoH thing reminds people complaining about R3dfox v149 crashing in some cases, IIRC when TRR mode=2.
So maybe something happened in this version because I've also noticed my R3dfox v149.0.2 using both TCP and UDP with the DoH server:

R3dfox149-DoH-Both.png

With R3dfox v149.0.2 some sites are also using UDP connections for some reason:

R3dfox149-UDP-Sites.png

So it seems that e3kskoy7wqk is fiddling with the network settings, which brings this question: Why ? Why is he doing that ?
You don't do things without a reason so what is the reason which justifies touching / modifying the network settings ?
:think:

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]]> <![CDATA[Eclipse r3dfox browser :: r3dfox, a modern Firefox based web browser for Windows Vista, 7, and 8! :: Reply by Duke]]> 2026-05-06T14:38:46+00:00 2026-05-06T14:38:46+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=623&p=9003#p9003 https://github.com/Eclipse-Community/r3dfox/releases/tag/v140.10.0esr]]> https://github.com/Eclipse-Community/r3dfox/releases/tag/v140.10.0esr]]> <![CDATA[Eclipse r3dfox browser :: r3dfox, a modern Firefox based web browser for Windows Vista, 7, and 8! :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-05-06T17:13:18+00:00 2026-05-06T17:13:18+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=623&p=9004#p9004 You don't like me saying this, but IceCat does not have these.
It's all tied to background connections. DNS, TCP, UDP, all of the above.

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It's all tied to background connections. DNS, TCP, UDP, all of the above.

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The-10-Pen wrote: ↑06 May 2026, 17:13 IceCat does not have these.
Latest version of Icecat for Windows I've found is v115.24.0 which is based on Firefox ESR with the same version number.
I actually have Firefox v115.35.1 ESR installed and it behaves like Icecat but the base of these versions is quite old now. There have been many changes since Firefox 128 and 140 so I think v150 is closer to v140 than to v115.

And don't forget my troubles occur when using Quad9 with the Max Protection setting of the DNS over HTTPS so in case of failure there should be no fall back at all in any case but an error/warning message.]]>
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑06 May 2026, 17:13 IceCat does not have these.
Latest version of Icecat for Windows I've found is v115.24.0 which is based on Firefox ESR with the same version number.
I actually have Firefox v115.35.1 ESR installed and it behaves like Icecat but the base of these versions is quite old now. There have been many changes since Firefox 128 and 140 so I think v150 is closer to v140 than to v115.

And don't forget my troubles occur when using Quad9 with the Max Protection setting of the DNS over HTTPS so in case of failure there should be no fall back at all in any case but an error/warning message.]]> <![CDATA[Eclipse r3dfox browser :: r3dfox, a modern Firefox based web browser for Windows Vista, 7, and 8! :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-05-06T19:37:01+00:00 2026-05-06T19:37:01+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=623&p=9007#p9007 <![CDATA[Eclipse r3dfox browser :: r3dfox, a modern Firefox based web browser for Windows Vista, 7, and 8! :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-05-06T19:39:06+00:00 2026-05-06T19:39:06+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=623&p=9008#p9008 <![CDATA[Eclipse r3dfox browser :: r3dfox, a modern Firefox based web browser for Windows Vista, 7, and 8! :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-05-06T21:50:59+00:00 2026-05-06T21:50:59+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=623&p=9009#p9009
Duke wrote: ↑06 May 2026, 10:39 There is also a problem with the HTTP Version field.
This is also an "upstream" issue.
"Real" Firefox has this bug, therefore **ALL** forks will have this bug.
If you want a challenge, try to find *any* 'fox fork that doesn't have this issue.
It's not the ekx-forget-his-name fork that was requested to check if it occurs there.
Since it is in "real" 'fox, it's going to be in *ALL* forks of 'fox.

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Duke wrote: ↑06 May 2026, 10:39 There is also a problem with the HTTP Version field.
This is also an "upstream" issue.
"Real" Firefox has this bug, therefore **ALL** forks will have this bug.
If you want a challenge, try to find *any* 'fox fork that doesn't have this issue.
It's not the ekx-forget-his-name fork that was requested to check if it occurs there.
Since it is in "real" 'fox, it's going to be in *ALL* forks of 'fox.

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The-10-Pen wrote: ↑06 May 2026, 21:50 "Real" Firefox has this bug, therefore **ALL** forks will have this bug.
Nice catch, I shoud have tried it before posting.]]>
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑06 May 2026, 21:50 "Real" Firefox has this bug, therefore **ALL** forks will have this bug.
Nice catch, I shoud have tried it before posting.]]> <![CDATA[Eclipse r3dfox browser :: r3dfox, a modern Firefox based web browser for Windows Vista, 7, and 8! :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-05-07T11:09:05+00:00 2026-05-07T11:09:05+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=623&p=9012#p9012 I was really looking forward to Icecat's anti-telemetry strategy (but again, it is now basically "abandonware" for Windows).
They were really the only, and I do mean *ONLY* 'fox fork that TOOK TELEMETRY SERIOUSLY!
Everybody else, and I do mean everybody else just writes it off as "it's not that important, live in a cardboard box if it worries you that much".

Or writes off DNS versus TCP or whatever. Again, not to beat the Dead Horse, but there really should NEVER be any DNS (or TCP or UDP) entries just for OPENING a browser defaulting to an about:blank page. NEVER. Not in a million seconds. A browser should NEVER contact the "internet" until the user opens a bookmark or enters a URL. NEVER. No, it's not "paranoia", it's just COMMON SENSE. And H#LL, if a user is jumping through hoops to disable whatever a "detectportal" is (something that to me should be OFF by **DEFAULT**), then why "minimize" OTHER users allocating EQUAL IMPORTANCE to every other DOZEN upon DOZEN of those d@mn "Mozilla Connections" that have NO VALUE in a Consumer Aware Web Browser?]]> I was really looking forward to Icecat's anti-telemetry strategy (but again, it is now basically "abandonware" for Windows).
They were really the only, and I do mean *ONLY* 'fox fork that TOOK TELEMETRY SERIOUSLY!
Everybody else, and I do mean everybody else just writes it off as "it's not that important, live in a cardboard box if it worries you that much".

Or writes off DNS versus TCP or whatever. Again, not to beat the Dead Horse, but there really should NEVER be any DNS (or TCP or UDP) entries just for OPENING a browser defaulting to an about:blank page. NEVER. Not in a million seconds. A browser should NEVER contact the "internet" until the user opens a bookmark or enters a URL. NEVER. No, it's not "paranoia", it's just COMMON SENSE. And H#LL, if a user is jumping through hoops to disable whatever a "detectportal" is (something that to me should be OFF by **DEFAULT**), then why "minimize" OTHER users allocating EQUAL IMPORTANCE to every other DOZEN upon DOZEN of those d@mn "Mozilla Connections" that have NO VALUE in a Consumer Aware Web Browser?]]> <![CDATA[Eclipse r3dfox browser :: r3dfox, a modern Firefox based web browser for Windows Vista, 7, and 8! :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-05-07T11:16:15+00:00 2026-05-07T11:16:15+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=623&p=9013#p9013 But isn't that WHY we are all here? To STRIVE for one that IS at least CLOSER to perfect?

Anything short of that, in my opinion, kind of falls under the same pretense as this:

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

~Martin Niemoller, 1946]]> But isn't that WHY we are all here? To STRIVE for one that IS at least CLOSER to perfect?

Anything short of that, in my opinion, kind of falls under the same pretense as this:

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

~Martin Niemoller, 1946]]> <![CDATA[Eclipse r3dfox browser :: r3dfox, a modern Firefox based web browser for Windows Vista, 7, and 8! :: Reply by Duke]]> 2026-05-07T12:52:31+00:00 2026-05-07T12:52:31+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=623&p=9014#p9014
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑07 May 2026, 11:09 Or writes off DNS versus TCP or whatever.
I wish some other R3dfox users to report about this behavior.
The original post is there: https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?p=8994#p8994


The-10-Pen wrote: ↑07 May 2026, 11:09 whatever a "detectportal" is (something that to me should be OFF by **DEFAULT**)
Not everyone is tech savvy. That's why it's enabled by default because it can be very useful.
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/captive-portal]]>
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑07 May 2026, 11:09 Or writes off DNS versus TCP or whatever.
I wish some other R3dfox users to report about this behavior.
The original post is there: https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?p=8994#p8994


The-10-Pen wrote: ↑07 May 2026, 11:09 whatever a "detectportal" is (something that to me should be OFF by **DEFAULT**)
Not everyone is tech savvy. That's why it's enabled by default because it can be very useful.
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/captive-portal]]> <![CDATA[Eclipse r3dfox browser :: r3dfox, a modern Firefox based web browser for Windows Vista, 7, and 8! :: Reply by Duke]]> 2026-05-08T06:02:35+00:00 2026-05-08T06:02:35+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=623&p=9030#p9030
Duke wrote: ↑05 May 2026, 13:42 Since DNS over HTTPS obviously use HTTPS therefore it should use the TCP protocol.

But in about:networking with R3dfox v150.0.1 I'm seeing UDP being used.
While I'm seeing this with R3dfox v148.0.2, TCP being used.

Notice that Quad9 (9.9.9.9) is also the system default DNS server of my computer. So I have the feeling that for some reason R3dfox v150.0.1 is not using the DoH server but is falling back to the system default DNS server, even though it's set to Max Protection (network.trr.mode=3) and shouldn't do that.
After some search on the internet, it might be linked with HTTP3/QUIC. I have set network.http.http3.enable to false and it seems to be back to the previous behavior, but that needs more testing.

BUT: this setting already existed in previous versions and set to True but without this UDP behavior. So I wonder why. There must be something else.

I've also found this discussion:
https://www.reddit.com/r/browsers/comments/13capqu/a_guide_on_how_you_can_enable_ech_and_http3_in/

Not sure what to think about it. :think:]]>
Duke wrote: ↑05 May 2026, 13:42 Since DNS over HTTPS obviously use HTTPS therefore it should use the TCP protocol.

But in about:networking with R3dfox v150.0.1 I'm seeing UDP being used.
While I'm seeing this with R3dfox v148.0.2, TCP being used.

Notice that Quad9 (9.9.9.9) is also the system default DNS server of my computer. So I have the feeling that for some reason R3dfox v150.0.1 is not using the DoH server but is falling back to the system default DNS server, even though it's set to Max Protection (network.trr.mode=3) and shouldn't do that.
After some search on the internet, it might be linked with HTTP3/QUIC. I have set network.http.http3.enable to false and it seems to be back to the previous behavior, but that needs more testing.

BUT: this setting already existed in previous versions and set to True but without this UDP behavior. So I wonder why. There must be something else.

I've also found this discussion:
https://www.reddit.com/r/browsers/comments/13capqu/a_guide_on_how_you_can_enable_ech_and_http3_in/

Not sure what to think about it. :think:]]> <![CDATA[RT1 Browser Platform :: Serpent 52 / 55 Language Pack (Portuguese Brazil) :: Author BAVBR]]> 2026-04-12T01:42:24+00:00 2026-04-12T01:42:24+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=966&p=8752#p8752
Thanks to the project of developer Enobarbous, who managed to create a Russian language package for the official Basilisk, I decided to build on it and create a version for my native language, Brazilian Portuguese, and the result can be seen in this link [url]https://github.com/bav-br/basilisk-pt-br-langpack/releases/tag/2026.01.23[/url].

Based on this, I decided to adapt the package to also work on Serpent 52, which already had a translation released on this forum by user cicyyang but bothered me because it was very invasive and had to update with each new release. And, for those who want to download for use or adapt to your language, click here: [url]https://github.com/bav-br/basilisk-pt-br-langpack/releases/tag/2026.04.10[/url].

Similarly, I'm also making a package available for Serpent 55, which can be accessed here: [url]https://github.com/bav-br/basilisk-pt-br-langpack/releases/tag/2026.04.03[/url].

Please note: If you have any problems after installing the language pack, please let me know. The amount of work involved in reconciling the lines was great, and although extensive and strenuous revision (file by file) was performed, errors may have been made somewhere.

Extra: Based on the fixes indicated by user Astroskeeper[url]https://msfn.org/board/topic/183923-extensions-and-custom-buttons-for-uxp-browsers-corrections-modifications-adjustments-and-special-recommendations/#comment-1226244[/url], I reviewed the New Moon 28 PT-BR language pack (originally posted by developer JustOff) and can be accessed by clicking here: [url]https://www.4shared.com/file/SjcESZ-qku/pt-BR_28100_RC7.html?[/url].]]>
Thanks to the project of developer Enobarbous, who managed to create a Russian language package for the official Basilisk, I decided to build on it and create a version for my native language, Brazilian Portuguese, and the result can be seen in this link [url]https://github.com/bav-br/basilisk-pt-br-langpack/releases/tag/2026.01.23[/url].

Based on this, I decided to adapt the package to also work on Serpent 52, which already had a translation released on this forum by user cicyyang but bothered me because it was very invasive and had to update with each new release. And, for those who want to download for use or adapt to your language, click here: [url]https://github.com/bav-br/basilisk-pt-br-langpack/releases/tag/2026.04.10[/url].

Similarly, I'm also making a package available for Serpent 55, which can be accessed here: [url]https://github.com/bav-br/basilisk-pt-br-langpack/releases/tag/2026.04.03[/url].

Please note: If you have any problems after installing the language pack, please let me know. The amount of work involved in reconciling the lines was great, and although extensive and strenuous revision (file by file) was performed, errors may have been made somewhere.

Extra: Based on the fixes indicated by user Astroskeeper[url]https://msfn.org/board/topic/183923-extensions-and-custom-buttons-for-uxp-browsers-corrections-modifications-adjustments-and-special-recommendations/#comment-1226244[/url], I reviewed the New Moon 28 PT-BR language pack (originally posted by developer JustOff) and can be accessed by clicking here: [url]https://www.4shared.com/file/SjcESZ-qku/pt-BR_28100_RC7.html?[/url].]]> <![CDATA[RT1 Browser Platform :: Serpent 52 / 55 Language Pack (Portuguese Brazil) :: Reply by Iffy-chan]]> 2026-04-14T07:00:09+00:00 2026-04-14T07:00:09+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=966&p=8767#p8767
[/url], I reviewed the New Moon 28 PT-BR language pack (originally posted by developer JustOff) and can be accessed by clicking here: https://www.4shared.com/file/SjcESZ-qku/pt-BR_28100_RC7.html?.
Would you mind using a different file host? If I recall, 4Shared enforces logging in, which is counterproductive to the values of this message board.

Also, don't be afraid to include a translation of your first post in Portuguese-BR - in this specific case, I'm fairly certain it should be okay to bypass the English-language rules of the forum. (It'll help local search engine results pick up this post/thread for what it's worth.)]]>
[/url], I reviewed the New Moon 28 PT-BR language pack (originally posted by developer JustOff) and can be accessed by clicking here: https://www.4shared.com/file/SjcESZ-qku/pt-BR_28100_RC7.html?.
Would you mind using a different file host? If I recall, 4Shared enforces logging in, which is counterproductive to the values of this message board.

Also, don't be afraid to include a translation of your first post in Portuguese-BR - in this specific case, I'm fairly certain it should be okay to bypass the English-language rules of the forum. (It'll help local search engine results pick up this post/thread for what it's worth.)]]> <![CDATA[RT1 Browser Platform :: Serpent 52 / 55 Language Pack (Portuguese Brazil) :: Reply by BAVBR]]> 2026-04-14T23:39:27+00:00 2026-04-14T23:39:27+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=966&p=8775#p8775
Iffy-chan wrote: ↑14 Apr 2026, 07:00 Nice job creating a localisation! Out of curiosity, is the localisation system of the UXP-based browser engine at all similar to earlier versions of Firefox's (key versions to look at would be 24, 38 and 52 as PM team based their code on these versions at some point or another in time), or are there significant differences that would make it nontrivial to port the localisation of one to the other?
[/url], I reviewed the New Moon 28 PT-BR language pack (originally posted by developer JustOff) and can be accessed by clicking here: https://www.4shared.com/file/SjcESZ-qku/pt-BR_28100_RC7.html?.
Would you mind using a different file host? If I recall, 4Shared enforces logging in, which is counterproductive to the values of this message board.

Also, don't be afraid to include a translation of your first post in Portuguese-BR - in this specific case, I'm fairly certain it should be okay to bypass the English-language rules of the forum. (It'll help local search engine results pick up this post/thread for what it's worth.)
In fact, in the case of Basilisk and Serpent 52, it is very similar to Firefox 52, just with removed features and some specific additions, such as exclusive features and tags, however it can still be difficult to translate directly from the Firefox language pack; then I recommend using what I did as a base, especially for Serpent 55, which is a mix of Firefox 52 / 55 with Pale Moon, which made it particularly challenging and required many hours of work, as I did a thorough analysis, file by file (which can be difficult, in addition to many tests and corrections until reaching the final version).

As I didn't follow programming best practices and did everything manually, I am unable to point out what changed in detail, as my objective was to complete the translation and I know that this does not help much for anyone who wants to do this work; Before I had tried to automate with Claude Code but the free plan is limited and it didn't work, but whoever can automate it is a better way than what I did and could reduce the approximately 8 net hours for each package to about 30 minutes.

About New Moon, I created a release in the Basilisk repository itself: https://github.com/bav-br/basilisk-pt-br-langpack/releases/tag/2024.10.06

I'm just an enthusiast, I'm learning english yet and I don't consider myself a developer, although I have a degree in systems analysis and I intend to make a post in Brazilian Portuguese on my blog.]]>
Iffy-chan wrote: ↑14 Apr 2026, 07:00 Nice job creating a localisation! Out of curiosity, is the localisation system of the UXP-based browser engine at all similar to earlier versions of Firefox's (key versions to look at would be 24, 38 and 52 as PM team based their code on these versions at some point or another in time), or are there significant differences that would make it nontrivial to port the localisation of one to the other?
[/url], I reviewed the New Moon 28 PT-BR language pack (originally posted by developer JustOff) and can be accessed by clicking here: https://www.4shared.com/file/SjcESZ-qku/pt-BR_28100_RC7.html?.
Would you mind using a different file host? If I recall, 4Shared enforces logging in, which is counterproductive to the values of this message board.

Also, don't be afraid to include a translation of your first post in Portuguese-BR - in this specific case, I'm fairly certain it should be okay to bypass the English-language rules of the forum. (It'll help local search engine results pick up this post/thread for what it's worth.)
In fact, in the case of Basilisk and Serpent 52, it is very similar to Firefox 52, just with removed features and some specific additions, such as exclusive features and tags, however it can still be difficult to translate directly from the Firefox language pack; then I recommend using what I did as a base, especially for Serpent 55, which is a mix of Firefox 52 / 55 with Pale Moon, which made it particularly challenging and required many hours of work, as I did a thorough analysis, file by file (which can be difficult, in addition to many tests and corrections until reaching the final version).

As I didn't follow programming best practices and did everything manually, I am unable to point out what changed in detail, as my objective was to complete the translation and I know that this does not help much for anyone who wants to do this work; Before I had tried to automate with Claude Code but the free plan is limited and it didn't work, but whoever can automate it is a better way than what I did and could reduce the approximately 8 net hours for each package to about 30 minutes.

About New Moon, I created a release in the Basilisk repository itself: https://github.com/bav-br/basilisk-pt-br-langpack/releases/tag/2024.10.06

I'm just an enthusiast, I'm learning english yet and I don't consider myself a developer, although I have a degree in systems analysis and I intend to make a post in Brazilian Portuguese on my blog.]]> <![CDATA[RT1 Browser Platform :: Serpent 52 / 55 Language Pack (Portuguese Brazil) :: Reply by Iffy-chan]]> 2026-04-15T02:16:16+00:00 2026-04-15T02:16:16+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=966&p=8780#p8780
BAVBR wrote: ↑14 Apr 2026, 23:39
Iffy-chan wrote: ↑14 Apr 2026, 07:00 Nice job creating a localisation! Out of curiosity, is the localisation system of the UXP-based browser engine at all similar to earlier versions of Firefox's (key versions to look at would be 24, 38 and 52 as PM team based their code on these versions at some point or another in time), or are there significant differences that would make it nontrivial to port the localisation of one to the other?
[/url], I reviewed the New Moon 28 PT-BR language pack (originally posted by developer JustOff) and can be accessed by clicking here: https://www.4shared.com/file/SjcESZ-qku/pt-BR_28100_RC7.html?.
Would you mind using a different file host? If I recall, 4Shared enforces logging in, which is counterproductive to the values of this message board.

Also, don't be afraid to include a translation of your first post in Portuguese-BR - in this specific case, I'm fairly certain it should be okay to bypass the English-language rules of the forum. (It'll help local search engine results pick up this post/thread for what it's worth.)
In fact, in the case of Basilisk and Serpent 52, it is very similar to Firefox 52, just with removed features and some specific additions, such as exclusive features and tags, however it can still be difficult to translate directly from the Firefox language pack; then I recommend using what I did as a base, especially for Serpent 55, which is a mix of Firefox 52 / 55 with Pale Moon, which made it particularly challenging and required many hours of work, as I did a thorough analysis, file by file (which can be difficult, in addition to many tests and corrections until reaching the final version).

As I didn't follow programming best practices and did everything manually, I am unable to point out what changed in detail, as my objective was to complete the translation and I know that this does not help much for anyone who wants to do this work; Before I had tried to automate with Claude Code but the free plan is limited and it didn't work, but whoever can automate it is a better way than what I did and could reduce the approximately 8 net hours for each package to about 30 minutes.

About New Moon, I created a release in the Basilisk repository itself: https://github.com/bav-br/basilisk-pt-br-langpack/releases/tag/2024.10.06
Thank you for the rundown, I appreciate it. Very interesting.

It's not a problem that you can't point to everything that was changed/removed/added, it's helpful enough to know that it's not going to be an especially 'quick-and-dirty copy-paste' job, but there are indeed many similarities with these builds of FF/PM/Basilisk :)
BAVBR wrote: ↑14 Apr 2026, 23:39 I'm just an enthusiast, I'm learning english yet and I don't consider myself a developer, although I have a degree in systems analysis and I intend to make a post in Brazilian Portuguese on my blog.
There's a few small mistakes in your writing, but nothing that really stuck out to me as particularly annoying. I'd say you tend to overuse conjunctions where a full stop would probably be more appropriate, which makes some of it a bit difficult to follow at times. :mrgreen:

Also, appropriate music to post for this thread, even if it's from a mobile game.
]]>
BAVBR wrote: ↑14 Apr 2026, 23:39
Iffy-chan wrote: ↑14 Apr 2026, 07:00 Nice job creating a localisation! Out of curiosity, is the localisation system of the UXP-based browser engine at all similar to earlier versions of Firefox's (key versions to look at would be 24, 38 and 52 as PM team based their code on these versions at some point or another in time), or are there significant differences that would make it nontrivial to port the localisation of one to the other?
[/url], I reviewed the New Moon 28 PT-BR language pack (originally posted by developer JustOff) and can be accessed by clicking here: https://www.4shared.com/file/SjcESZ-qku/pt-BR_28100_RC7.html?.
Would you mind using a different file host? If I recall, 4Shared enforces logging in, which is counterproductive to the values of this message board.

Also, don't be afraid to include a translation of your first post in Portuguese-BR - in this specific case, I'm fairly certain it should be okay to bypass the English-language rules of the forum. (It'll help local search engine results pick up this post/thread for what it's worth.)
In fact, in the case of Basilisk and Serpent 52, it is very similar to Firefox 52, just with removed features and some specific additions, such as exclusive features and tags, however it can still be difficult to translate directly from the Firefox language pack; then I recommend using what I did as a base, especially for Serpent 55, which is a mix of Firefox 52 / 55 with Pale Moon, which made it particularly challenging and required many hours of work, as I did a thorough analysis, file by file (which can be difficult, in addition to many tests and corrections until reaching the final version).

As I didn't follow programming best practices and did everything manually, I am unable to point out what changed in detail, as my objective was to complete the translation and I know that this does not help much for anyone who wants to do this work; Before I had tried to automate with Claude Code but the free plan is limited and it didn't work, but whoever can automate it is a better way than what I did and could reduce the approximately 8 net hours for each package to about 30 minutes.

About New Moon, I created a release in the Basilisk repository itself: https://github.com/bav-br/basilisk-pt-br-langpack/releases/tag/2024.10.06
Thank you for the rundown, I appreciate it. Very interesting.

It's not a problem that you can't point to everything that was changed/removed/added, it's helpful enough to know that it's not going to be an especially 'quick-and-dirty copy-paste' job, but there are indeed many similarities with these builds of FF/PM/Basilisk :)
BAVBR wrote: ↑14 Apr 2026, 23:39 I'm just an enthusiast, I'm learning english yet and I don't consider myself a developer, although I have a degree in systems analysis and I intend to make a post in Brazilian Portuguese on my blog.
There's a few small mistakes in your writing, but nothing that really stuck out to me as particularly annoying. I'd say you tend to overuse conjunctions where a full stop would probably be more appropriate, which makes some of it a bit difficult to follow at times. :mrgreen:

Also, appropriate music to post for this thread, even if it's from a mobile game.
]]> <![CDATA[RT1 Browser Platform :: Browsers release notes :: Reply by roytam1]]> 2026-04-10T22:39:29+00:00 2026-04-10T22:39:29+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=35&p=8731#p8731
Test binary:
Win32 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk52-g4.8.win32-git-20260411-3219d2d-uxp-c8f7030b13-xpmod.7z
Win64 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk52-g4.8.win64-git-20260411-3219d2d-uxp-c8f7030b13-xpmod.7z

source code that is comparable to my current working tree is available here: https://github.com/roytam1/UXP/commits/custom

IA32 Win32 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk52-g4.8.win32-git-20260411-3219d2d-uxp-c8f7030b13-xpmod-ia32.7z

source code that is comparable to my current working tree is available here: https://github.com/roytam1/UXP/commits/ia32

NM28XP build:
Win32 https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win32-git-20260411-d849524bd-uxp-c8f7030b13-xpmod.7z
Win32 IA32 https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win32-git-20260411-d849524bd-uxp-c8f7030b13-xpmod-ia32.7z
Win32 SSE https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win32-git-20260411-d849524bd-uxp-c8f7030b13-xpmod-sse.7z
Win64 https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win64-git-20260411-d849524bd-uxp-c8f7030b13-xpmod.7z
Win7+ x64 AVX2 https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win64-git-20260411-d849524bd-uxp-c8f7030b13-w7plus-avx2.7z

Official UXP changes picked since my last build:
- Issue #3027 - modify nsGIOService to call libdbus directly instead of using dbus-glib (c97bc33a87)
- Issue #3027 - remove all uses of dbus-glib from widget/ (6ce1b9a8c0)
- Issue #3042 - Add canvas WebGL context `powerPreference` (546e0075dd)

No official Pale-Moon changes picked since my last build.

No official Basilisk changes picked since my last build.

Update Notice:
- You may delete file named icudt*.dat and icu63.dll inside program folder when updating from old releases.

* Notice: From now on, UXP rev will point to `custom` branch of my UXP repo instead of MCP UXP repo, while "official UXP changes" shows only `tracking` branch changes.]]>
Test binary:
Win32 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk52-g4.8.win32-git-20260411-3219d2d-uxp-c8f7030b13-xpmod.7z
Win64 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk52-g4.8.win64-git-20260411-3219d2d-uxp-c8f7030b13-xpmod.7z

source code that is comparable to my current working tree is available here: https://github.com/roytam1/UXP/commits/custom

IA32 Win32 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk52-g4.8.win32-git-20260411-3219d2d-uxp-c8f7030b13-xpmod-ia32.7z

source code that is comparable to my current working tree is available here: https://github.com/roytam1/UXP/commits/ia32

NM28XP build:
Win32 https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win32-git-20260411-d849524bd-uxp-c8f7030b13-xpmod.7z
Win32 IA32 https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win32-git-20260411-d849524bd-uxp-c8f7030b13-xpmod-ia32.7z
Win32 SSE https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win32-git-20260411-d849524bd-uxp-c8f7030b13-xpmod-sse.7z
Win64 https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win64-git-20260411-d849524bd-uxp-c8f7030b13-xpmod.7z
Win7+ x64 AVX2 https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win64-git-20260411-d849524bd-uxp-c8f7030b13-w7plus-avx2.7z

Official UXP changes picked since my last build:
- Issue #3027 - modify nsGIOService to call libdbus directly instead of using dbus-glib (c97bc33a87)
- Issue #3027 - remove all uses of dbus-glib from widget/ (6ce1b9a8c0)
- Issue #3042 - Add canvas WebGL context `powerPreference` (546e0075dd)

No official Pale-Moon changes picked since my last build.

No official Basilisk changes picked since my last build.

Update Notice:
- You may delete file named icudt*.dat and icu63.dll inside program folder when updating from old releases.

* Notice: From now on, UXP rev will point to `custom` branch of my UXP repo instead of MCP UXP repo, while "official UXP changes" shows only `tracking` branch changes.]]> <![CDATA[RT1 Browser Platform :: Browsers release notes :: Reply by roytam1]]> 2026-04-10T22:39:36+00:00 2026-04-10T22:39:36+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=35&p=8732#p8732
Test binary:
MailNews Win32 https://o.rthost.win/boc-uxp/mailnews.win32-20260411-40a79c75-uxp-c8f7030b13-xpmod.7z
BNavigator Win32 https://o.rthost.win/boc-uxp/bnavigator.win32-20260411-40a79c75-uxp-c8f7030b13-xpmod.7z

source repo (excluding UXP): https://github.com/roytam1/boc-uxp/tree/custom

* Notice: the profile prefix (i.e. parent folder names) are also changed since 2020-08-15 build, you may rename their names before using new binaries when updating from builds before 2020-08-15.

--

New build of HBL-UXP for XP!

Test binary:
IceDove-UXP(mail) https://o.rthost.win/hbl-uxp/icedove.win32-20260411-id-656ea98-uxp-c8f7030b13-xpmod.7z
IceApe-UXP(suite) https://o.rthost.win/hbl-uxp/iceape.win32-20260411-id-656ea98-ia-c642e3c-uxp-c8f7030b13-xpmod.7z

source repo (excluding UXP):
https://github.com/roytam1/icedove-uxp/tree/winbuild
https://github.com/roytam1/iceape-uxp/tree/winbuild]]>
Test binary:
MailNews Win32 https://o.rthost.win/boc-uxp/mailnews.win32-20260411-40a79c75-uxp-c8f7030b13-xpmod.7z
BNavigator Win32 https://o.rthost.win/boc-uxp/bnavigator.win32-20260411-40a79c75-uxp-c8f7030b13-xpmod.7z

source repo (excluding UXP): https://github.com/roytam1/boc-uxp/tree/custom

* Notice: the profile prefix (i.e. parent folder names) are also changed since 2020-08-15 build, you may rename their names before using new binaries when updating from builds before 2020-08-15.

--

New build of HBL-UXP for XP!

Test binary:
IceDove-UXP(mail) https://o.rthost.win/hbl-uxp/icedove.win32-20260411-id-656ea98-uxp-c8f7030b13-xpmod.7z
IceApe-UXP(suite) https://o.rthost.win/hbl-uxp/iceape.win32-20260411-id-656ea98-ia-c642e3c-uxp-c8f7030b13-xpmod.7z

source repo (excluding UXP):
https://github.com/roytam1/icedove-uxp/tree/winbuild
https://github.com/roytam1/iceape-uxp/tree/winbuild]]> <![CDATA[RT1 Browser Platform :: Browsers release notes :: Reply by roytam1]]> 2026-04-10T22:39:40+00:00 2026-04-10T22:39:40+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=35&p=8733#p8733 * Notice: This repo will not be built on regular schedule, and changes are experimental as usual.
** Current moebius patch level should be on par with 52.9, but some security patches can not be applied/ported due to source milestone differences between versions.

Test binary:
Win32 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk55-win32-git-20260411-2f20f30db-xpmod.7z
Win64 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk55-win64-git-20260411-2f20f30db-xpmod.7z

repo: https://github.com/roytam1/basilisk55

Repo changes:
- import from UXP: Issue #3027 - modify nsGIOService to call libdbus directly instead of using dbus-glib (c97bc33a) (ad86e28ed)
- import from UXP: Issue #3027 - remove all uses of dbus-glib from widget/ (6ce1b9a8) (39391a877)
- import from UXP: Issue #3042 - Add canvas WebGL context `powerPreference` (546e0075) (2f20f30db)]]> * Notice: This repo will not be built on regular schedule, and changes are experimental as usual.
** Current moebius patch level should be on par with 52.9, but some security patches can not be applied/ported due to source milestone differences between versions.

Test binary:
Win32 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk55-win32-git-20260411-2f20f30db-xpmod.7z
Win64 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk55-win64-git-20260411-2f20f30db-xpmod.7z

repo: https://github.com/roytam1/basilisk55

Repo changes:
- import from UXP: Issue #3027 - modify nsGIOService to call libdbus directly instead of using dbus-glib (c97bc33a) (ad86e28ed)
- import from UXP: Issue #3027 - remove all uses of dbus-glib from widget/ (6ce1b9a8) (39391a877)
- import from UXP: Issue #3042 - Add canvas WebGL context `powerPreference` (546e0075) (2f20f30db)]]> <![CDATA[RT1 Browser Platform :: Browsers release notes :: Reply by roytam1]]> 2026-04-17T23:08:14+00:00 2026-04-17T23:08:14+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=35&p=8836#p8836
Test binary:
Win32 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk52-g4.8.win32-git-20260418-3219d2d-uxp-d4c4c1f6ec-xpmod.7z
Win64 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk52-g4.8.win64-git-20260418-3219d2d-uxp-d4c4c1f6ec-xpmod.7z

source code that is comparable to my current working tree is available here: https://github.com/roytam1/UXP/commits/custom

IA32 Win32 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk52-g4.8.win32-git-20260418-3219d2d-uxp-d4c4c1f6ec-xpmod-ia32.7z

source code that is comparable to my current working tree is available here: https://github.com/roytam1/UXP/commits/ia32

NM28XP build:
Win32 https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win32-git-20260418-d849524bd-uxp-d4c4c1f6ec-xpmod.7z
Win32 IA32 https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win32-git-20260418-d849524bd-uxp-d4c4c1f6ec-xpmod-ia32.7z
Win32 SSE https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win32-git-20260418-d849524bd-uxp-d4c4c1f6ec-xpmod-sse.7z
Win64 https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win64-git-20260418-d849524bd-uxp-d4c4c1f6ec-xpmod.7z
Win7+ x64 AVX2 https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win64-git-20260418-d849524bd-uxp-d4c4c1f6ec-w7plus-avx2.7z

Official UXP changes picked since my last build:
- Issue #3003 prerequisite - Split non-sRGB CSS color helpers out of nsCSSParser (c249eee4d1)
- Issue #3003 - Add CSS lch() color parsing support (576265905a)
- Issue #3043 - Fix stack OOB write in nsLocaleService::GetLocaleFromAcceptLanguage bounds checks (3c7ab8a384)
- Issue #3045 - backport of bug 1350760 - atomization fast-path improvements (b44216a883)
- Issue #3047 - Added a null-argument guard in uriloader/exthandler/nsExternalHelperAppService (3836a57d47)

No official Pale-Moon changes picked since my last build.

No official Basilisk changes picked since my last build.

My changes since my last build:
- [Basilisk] update UAO from Dactyloidae fork (a4db612fb8)
- Spoof to Firefox 128 for WebExtensions (ae7c40d461)

Update Notice:
- You may delete file named icudt*.dat and icu63.dll inside program folder when updating from old releases.

* Notice: From now on, UXP rev will point to `custom` branch of my UXP repo instead of MCP UXP repo, while "official UXP changes" shows only `tracking` branch changes.]]>
Test binary:
Win32 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk52-g4.8.win32-git-20260418-3219d2d-uxp-d4c4c1f6ec-xpmod.7z
Win64 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk52-g4.8.win64-git-20260418-3219d2d-uxp-d4c4c1f6ec-xpmod.7z

source code that is comparable to my current working tree is available here: https://github.com/roytam1/UXP/commits/custom

IA32 Win32 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk52-g4.8.win32-git-20260418-3219d2d-uxp-d4c4c1f6ec-xpmod-ia32.7z

source code that is comparable to my current working tree is available here: https://github.com/roytam1/UXP/commits/ia32

NM28XP build:
Win32 https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win32-git-20260418-d849524bd-uxp-d4c4c1f6ec-xpmod.7z
Win32 IA32 https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win32-git-20260418-d849524bd-uxp-d4c4c1f6ec-xpmod-ia32.7z
Win32 SSE https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win32-git-20260418-d849524bd-uxp-d4c4c1f6ec-xpmod-sse.7z
Win64 https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win64-git-20260418-d849524bd-uxp-d4c4c1f6ec-xpmod.7z
Win7+ x64 AVX2 https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win64-git-20260418-d849524bd-uxp-d4c4c1f6ec-w7plus-avx2.7z

Official UXP changes picked since my last build:
- Issue #3003 prerequisite - Split non-sRGB CSS color helpers out of nsCSSParser (c249eee4d1)
- Issue #3003 - Add CSS lch() color parsing support (576265905a)
- Issue #3043 - Fix stack OOB write in nsLocaleService::GetLocaleFromAcceptLanguage bounds checks (3c7ab8a384)
- Issue #3045 - backport of bug 1350760 - atomization fast-path improvements (b44216a883)
- Issue #3047 - Added a null-argument guard in uriloader/exthandler/nsExternalHelperAppService (3836a57d47)

No official Pale-Moon changes picked since my last build.

No official Basilisk changes picked since my last build.

My changes since my last build:
- [Basilisk] update UAO from Dactyloidae fork (a4db612fb8)
- Spoof to Firefox 128 for WebExtensions (ae7c40d461)

Update Notice:
- You may delete file named icudt*.dat and icu63.dll inside program folder when updating from old releases.

* Notice: From now on, UXP rev will point to `custom` branch of my UXP repo instead of MCP UXP repo, while "official UXP changes" shows only `tracking` branch changes.]]> <![CDATA[RT1 Browser Platform :: Browsers release notes :: Reply by roytam1]]> 2026-04-17T23:08:18+00:00 2026-04-17T23:08:18+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=35&p=8837#p8837
Test binary:
MailNews Win32 https://o.rthost.win/boc-uxp/mailnews.win32-20260418-40a79c75-uxp-d4c4c1f6ec-xpmod.7z
BNavigator Win32 https://o.rthost.win/boc-uxp/bnavigator.win32-20260418-40a79c75-uxp-d4c4c1f6ec-xpmod.7z

source repo (excluding UXP): https://github.com/roytam1/boc-uxp/tree/custom

* Notice: the profile prefix (i.e. parent folder names) are also changed since 2020-08-15 build, you may rename their names before using new binaries when updating from builds before 2020-08-15.

--

New build of HBL-UXP for XP!

Test binary:
IceDove-UXP(mail) https://o.rthost.win/hbl-uxp/icedove.win32-20260418-id-656ea98-uxp-d4c4c1f6ec-xpmod.7z
IceApe-UXP(suite) https://o.rthost.win/hbl-uxp/iceape.win32-20260418-id-656ea98-ia-c642e3c-uxp-d4c4c1f6ec-xpmod.7z

source repo (excluding UXP):
https://github.com/roytam1/icedove-uxp/tree/winbuild
https://github.com/roytam1/iceape-uxp/tree/winbuild]]>
Test binary:
MailNews Win32 https://o.rthost.win/boc-uxp/mailnews.win32-20260418-40a79c75-uxp-d4c4c1f6ec-xpmod.7z
BNavigator Win32 https://o.rthost.win/boc-uxp/bnavigator.win32-20260418-40a79c75-uxp-d4c4c1f6ec-xpmod.7z

source repo (excluding UXP): https://github.com/roytam1/boc-uxp/tree/custom

* Notice: the profile prefix (i.e. parent folder names) are also changed since 2020-08-15 build, you may rename their names before using new binaries when updating from builds before 2020-08-15.

--

New build of HBL-UXP for XP!

Test binary:
IceDove-UXP(mail) https://o.rthost.win/hbl-uxp/icedove.win32-20260418-id-656ea98-uxp-d4c4c1f6ec-xpmod.7z
IceApe-UXP(suite) https://o.rthost.win/hbl-uxp/iceape.win32-20260418-id-656ea98-ia-c642e3c-uxp-d4c4c1f6ec-xpmod.7z

source repo (excluding UXP):
https://github.com/roytam1/icedove-uxp/tree/winbuild
https://github.com/roytam1/iceape-uxp/tree/winbuild]]> <![CDATA[RT1 Browser Platform :: Browsers release notes :: Reply by roytam1]]> 2026-04-17T23:08:22+00:00 2026-04-17T23:08:22+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=35&p=8838#p8838 * Notice: This repo will not be built on regular schedule, and changes are experimental as usual.
** Current moebius patch level should be on par with 52.9, but some security patches can not be applied/ported due to source milestone differences between versions.

Test binary:
Win32 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk55-win32-git-20260418-6d817e348-xpmod.7z
Win64 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk55-win64-git-20260418-6d817e348-xpmod.7z

repo: https://github.com/roytam1/basilisk55

Repo changes:
- ported from `custom` branch of UXP: [Basilisk] update UAO from Dactyloidae fork (a4db612f) (f2ff3841c)
- ported from `custom` branch of UXP: Spoof to Firefox 128 for WebExtensions (ae7c40d4) (0a26c24bb)
- ported from UXP: Issue #3003 prerequisite - Split non-sRGB CSS color helpers out of nsCSSParser (c249eee4) (b0180d228)
- import from UXP: Issue #3003 - Add CSS lch() color parsing support (57626590) (1633c82b7)
- import from UXP: Issue #3043 - Fix stack OOB write in nsLocaleService::GetLocaleFromAcceptLanguage bounds checks (3c7ab8a3) (a54588899)
- import from UXP: Issue #3047 - Added a null-argument guard in uriloader/exthandler/nsExternalHelperAppService (3836a57d) (b6e99c67f)
- ported from UXP: Issue #3045 - backport of bug 1350760 - atomization fast-path improvements (b44216a8) (6d817e348)]]> * Notice: This repo will not be built on regular schedule, and changes are experimental as usual.
** Current moebius patch level should be on par with 52.9, but some security patches can not be applied/ported due to source milestone differences between versions.

Test binary:
Win32 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk55-win32-git-20260418-6d817e348-xpmod.7z
Win64 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk55-win64-git-20260418-6d817e348-xpmod.7z

repo: https://github.com/roytam1/basilisk55

Repo changes:
- ported from `custom` branch of UXP: [Basilisk] update UAO from Dactyloidae fork (a4db612f) (f2ff3841c)
- ported from `custom` branch of UXP: Spoof to Firefox 128 for WebExtensions (ae7c40d4) (0a26c24bb)
- ported from UXP: Issue #3003 prerequisite - Split non-sRGB CSS color helpers out of nsCSSParser (c249eee4) (b0180d228)
- import from UXP: Issue #3003 - Add CSS lch() color parsing support (57626590) (1633c82b7)
- import from UXP: Issue #3043 - Fix stack OOB write in nsLocaleService::GetLocaleFromAcceptLanguage bounds checks (3c7ab8a3) (a54588899)
- import from UXP: Issue #3047 - Added a null-argument guard in uriloader/exthandler/nsExternalHelperAppService (3836a57d) (b6e99c67f)
- ported from UXP: Issue #3045 - backport of bug 1350760 - atomization fast-path improvements (b44216a8) (6d817e348)]]> <![CDATA[RT1 Browser Platform :: Browsers release notes :: Reply by roytam1]]> 2026-04-24T23:05:39+00:00 2026-04-24T23:05:39+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=35&p=8923#p8923
Test binary:
Win32 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk52-g4.8.win32-git-20260425-3219d2d-uxp-8a2c4ec1a0-xpmod.7z
Win64 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk52-g4.8.win64-git-20260425-3219d2d-uxp-8a2c4ec1a0-xpmod.7z

source code that is comparable to my current working tree is available here: https://github.com/roytam1/UXP/commits/custom

IA32 Win32 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk52-g4.8.win32-git-20260425-3219d2d-uxp-8a2c4ec1a0-xpmod-ia32.7z

source code that is comparable to my current working tree is available here: https://github.com/roytam1/UXP/commits/ia32

NM28XP build:
Win32 https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win32-git-20260425-d849524bd-uxp-8a2c4ec1a0-xpmod.7z
Win32 IA32 https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win32-git-20260425-d849524bd-uxp-8a2c4ec1a0-xpmod-ia32.7z
Win32 SSE https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win32-git-20260425-d849524bd-uxp-8a2c4ec1a0-xpmod-sse.7z
Win64 https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win64-git-20260425-d849524bd-uxp-8a2c4ec1a0-xpmod.7z
Win7+ x64 AVX2 https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win64-git-20260425-d849524bd-uxp-8a2c4ec1a0-w7plus-avx2.7z

Official UXP changes picked since my last build:
- Issue #3027 - completely remove all remaining usages of dbus-glib from our tree (1d0967ab3c)
- Issue #3050 - Backport 1379814: Prevent HelperThreads master-task deadlock (9454fcf539)
- Issue #3050 - Backport 1431353: Remove off-thread parse thread limit (52b3fada95)
- Issue #3049 - backport libffi loongarch support (dd64525180)
- Issue #3038 - Fix ARM assembler issues in libpixman. (e98a43e46c)
- [NSS] ensure permittedSubtrees don't match wildcards that could be outside the permitted tree. (662d60c5bf)
- [XPCOM] Update list of executable extensions on Windows. (4d73188003)
- [DOM] More consistently use already-calculated image properties. (7aaf0ab764)
- Issue #2946 - Follow-up: Sanity-check WMF video properties. (8ffe5094c9)
- [network] use nsCOMPtr for mRequest in Base Channel's ScopedRequestSuspender (2ece521467)
- [media] Check alpha data pointer instead of length. (700b73f155)
- [NSS] Protect rwSessionCount with slotLock. (29233ebca8)
- [NSS] Fix memory leak in NSC_GenerateKey error path. (69fdabab8d)
- Issue #3058 - Part 1: Fix arithmetic issue in `ConvertYCbCrToRGB32` (6048fc0fb7)
- [DOM] Update some DOM canvas checks. (4d91f637b6)
- [network] Use locals for `VisitHeader` (269b0cdb58)
- [DOM] Add a death grip. (9e00ce775a)
- [network] Hold strong ref in `nsDownloader::OnDataAvailable`. (cecf760aa5)
- [network] Handle WebSocketChannel::IsPersistentFramePtr correctly. (8d189c4890)
- Issue #3060 - Align cookie magic prefix handling with the updated spec. (fe8d56078e)
- [DOM] Fix access to shared RuntimeService::mNavigatorProperties. (2f1af7557f)
- [webrtc] Hold a self-ref on behalf of sigslot, just in case. (b73e47ce1c)
- [network] Force NUL termination in ToStringBuffer AF_LOCAL. (b55a39ac33)
- [network] Hold strong ref in `nsSyncStreamListener::Available`. (68fd6722f0)
- [network] Ensure UDPSocket remains alive during CloseWithReason. (b6dec9b37c)

No official Pale-Moon changes picked since my last build.

No official Basilisk changes picked since my last build.

Update Notice:
- You may delete file named icudt*.dat and icu63.dll inside program folder when updating from old releases.

* Notice: From now on, UXP rev will point to `custom` branch of my UXP repo instead of MCP UXP repo, while "official UXP changes" shows only `tracking` branch changes.]]>
Test binary:
Win32 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk52-g4.8.win32-git-20260425-3219d2d-uxp-8a2c4ec1a0-xpmod.7z
Win64 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk52-g4.8.win64-git-20260425-3219d2d-uxp-8a2c4ec1a0-xpmod.7z

source code that is comparable to my current working tree is available here: https://github.com/roytam1/UXP/commits/custom

IA32 Win32 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk52-g4.8.win32-git-20260425-3219d2d-uxp-8a2c4ec1a0-xpmod-ia32.7z

source code that is comparable to my current working tree is available here: https://github.com/roytam1/UXP/commits/ia32

NM28XP build:
Win32 https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win32-git-20260425-d849524bd-uxp-8a2c4ec1a0-xpmod.7z
Win32 IA32 https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win32-git-20260425-d849524bd-uxp-8a2c4ec1a0-xpmod-ia32.7z
Win32 SSE https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win32-git-20260425-d849524bd-uxp-8a2c4ec1a0-xpmod-sse.7z
Win64 https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win64-git-20260425-d849524bd-uxp-8a2c4ec1a0-xpmod.7z
Win7+ x64 AVX2 https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win64-git-20260425-d849524bd-uxp-8a2c4ec1a0-w7plus-avx2.7z

Official UXP changes picked since my last build:
- Issue #3027 - completely remove all remaining usages of dbus-glib from our tree (1d0967ab3c)
- Issue #3050 - Backport 1379814: Prevent HelperThreads master-task deadlock (9454fcf539)
- Issue #3050 - Backport 1431353: Remove off-thread parse thread limit (52b3fada95)
- Issue #3049 - backport libffi loongarch support (dd64525180)
- Issue #3038 - Fix ARM assembler issues in libpixman. (e98a43e46c)
- [NSS] ensure permittedSubtrees don't match wildcards that could be outside the permitted tree. (662d60c5bf)
- [XPCOM] Update list of executable extensions on Windows. (4d73188003)
- [DOM] More consistently use already-calculated image properties. (7aaf0ab764)
- Issue #2946 - Follow-up: Sanity-check WMF video properties. (8ffe5094c9)
- [network] use nsCOMPtr for mRequest in Base Channel's ScopedRequestSuspender (2ece521467)
- [media] Check alpha data pointer instead of length. (700b73f155)
- [NSS] Protect rwSessionCount with slotLock. (29233ebca8)
- [NSS] Fix memory leak in NSC_GenerateKey error path. (69fdabab8d)
- Issue #3058 - Part 1: Fix arithmetic issue in `ConvertYCbCrToRGB32` (6048fc0fb7)
- [DOM] Update some DOM canvas checks. (4d91f637b6)
- [network] Use locals for `VisitHeader` (269b0cdb58)
- [DOM] Add a death grip. (9e00ce775a)
- [network] Hold strong ref in `nsDownloader::OnDataAvailable`. (cecf760aa5)
- [network] Handle WebSocketChannel::IsPersistentFramePtr correctly. (8d189c4890)
- Issue #3060 - Align cookie magic prefix handling with the updated spec. (fe8d56078e)
- [DOM] Fix access to shared RuntimeService::mNavigatorProperties. (2f1af7557f)
- [webrtc] Hold a self-ref on behalf of sigslot, just in case. (b73e47ce1c)
- [network] Force NUL termination in ToStringBuffer AF_LOCAL. (b55a39ac33)
- [network] Hold strong ref in `nsSyncStreamListener::Available`. (68fd6722f0)
- [network] Ensure UDPSocket remains alive during CloseWithReason. (b6dec9b37c)

No official Pale-Moon changes picked since my last build.

No official Basilisk changes picked since my last build.

Update Notice:
- You may delete file named icudt*.dat and icu63.dll inside program folder when updating from old releases.

* Notice: From now on, UXP rev will point to `custom` branch of my UXP repo instead of MCP UXP repo, while "official UXP changes" shows only `tracking` branch changes.]]> <![CDATA[RT1 Browser Platform :: Browsers release notes :: Reply by roytam1]]> 2026-04-24T23:05:54+00:00 2026-04-24T23:05:54+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=35&p=8924#p8924
Test binary:
MailNews Win32 https://o.rthost.win/boc-uxp/mailnews.win32-20260425-40a79c75-uxp-8a2c4ec1a0-xpmod.7z
BNavigator Win32 https://o.rthost.win/boc-uxp/bnavigator.win32-20260425-40a79c75-uxp-8a2c4ec1a0-xpmod.7z

source repo (excluding UXP): https://github.com/roytam1/boc-uxp/tree/custom

* Notice: the profile prefix (i.e. parent folder names) are also changed since 2020-08-15 build, you may rename their names before using new binaries when updating from builds before 2020-08-15.

--

New build of HBL-UXP for XP!

Test binary:
IceDove-UXP(mail) https://o.rthost.win/hbl-uxp/icedove.win32-20260425-id-656ea98-uxp-8a2c4ec1a0-xpmod.7z
IceApe-UXP(suite) https://o.rthost.win/hbl-uxp/iceape.win32-20260425-id-656ea98-ia-c642e3c-uxp-8a2c4ec1a0-xpmod.7z

source repo (excluding UXP):
https://github.com/roytam1/icedove-uxp/tree/winbuild
https://github.com/roytam1/iceape-uxp/tree/winbuild]]>
Test binary:
MailNews Win32 https://o.rthost.win/boc-uxp/mailnews.win32-20260425-40a79c75-uxp-8a2c4ec1a0-xpmod.7z
BNavigator Win32 https://o.rthost.win/boc-uxp/bnavigator.win32-20260425-40a79c75-uxp-8a2c4ec1a0-xpmod.7z

source repo (excluding UXP): https://github.com/roytam1/boc-uxp/tree/custom

* Notice: the profile prefix (i.e. parent folder names) are also changed since 2020-08-15 build, you may rename their names before using new binaries when updating from builds before 2020-08-15.

--

New build of HBL-UXP for XP!

Test binary:
IceDove-UXP(mail) https://o.rthost.win/hbl-uxp/icedove.win32-20260425-id-656ea98-uxp-8a2c4ec1a0-xpmod.7z
IceApe-UXP(suite) https://o.rthost.win/hbl-uxp/iceape.win32-20260425-id-656ea98-ia-c642e3c-uxp-8a2c4ec1a0-xpmod.7z

source repo (excluding UXP):
https://github.com/roytam1/icedove-uxp/tree/winbuild
https://github.com/roytam1/iceape-uxp/tree/winbuild]]> <![CDATA[RT1 Browser Platform :: Browsers release notes :: Reply by roytam1]]> 2026-04-24T23:06:05+00:00 2026-04-24T23:06:05+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=35&p=8925#p8925 * Notice: This repo will not be built on regular schedule, and changes are experimental as usual.
** Current moebius patch level should be on par with 52.9, but some security patches can not be applied/ported due to source milestone differences between versions.

Test binary:
Win32 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk55-win32-git-20260425-302bb22b4-xpmod.7z
Win64 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk55-win64-git-20260425-302bb22b4-xpmod.7z

repo: https://github.com/roytam1/basilisk55

Repo changes:
- ported from UXP: Issue #3027 - completely remove all remaining usages of dbus-glib from our tree (1d0967ab) (6d2744da8)
- ported from UXP: Issue #3050 - Backport 1379814: Prevent HelperThreads master-task deadlock (9454fcf5) (42025a271)
- import from UXP: Issue #3050 - Backport 1431353: Remove off-thread parse thread limit (52b3fada) (7dc548ee3)
- import from UXP: Issue #3049 - backport libffi loongarch support (dd645251) (7edcb4e7e)
- import from UXP: Issue #3038 - Fix ARM assembler issues in libpixman. (e98a43e4) (42ee52672)
- import from UXP: [NSS] ensure permittedSubtrees don't match wildcards that could be outside the permitted tree. (662d60c5) (f260735d9)
- import from UXP: [XPCOM] Update list of executable extensions on Windows. (4d731880) (7a76ddfc4)
- import from UXP: [DOM] More consistently use already-calculated image properties. (7aaf0ab7) (43dbe7a3c)
- ported from UXP: Issue #2946 - Follow-up: Sanity-check WMF video properties. (8ffe5094) (5b0e12f72)
- import from UXP: [network] use nsCOMPtr for mRequest in Base Channel's ScopedRequestSuspender (2ece5214) (d2f0f0020)
- ported from UXP: [media] Check alpha data pointer instead of length. (700b73f1) (43500eee0)
- import from UXP: [NSS] Protect rwSessionCount with slotLock. (29233ebc) (a55328afd)
- import from UXP: [NSS] Fix memory leak in NSC_GenerateKey error path. (69fdabab) (0fa7b241a)
- import from UXP: Issue #3058 - Part 1: Fix arithmetic issue in `ConvertYCbCrToRGB32` (6048fc0f) (09367b53d)
- import from UXP: [DOM] Update some DOM canvas checks. (4d91f637) (e2c2b6364)
- import from UXP: [network] Use locals for `VisitHeader` (269b0cdb) (d4b409586)
- import from UXP: [DOM] Add a death grip. (9e00ce77) (833519a34)
- import from UXP: [network] Hold strong ref in `nsDownloader::OnDataAvailable`. (cecf760a) (9ebf79d00)
- import from UXP: [network] Handle WebSocketChannel::IsPersistentFramePtr correctly. (8d189c48) (27e802bc6)
- import from UXP: Issue #3060 - Align cookie magic prefix handling with the updated spec. (fe8d5607) (74d13a53a)
- import from UXP: [DOM] Fix access to shared RuntimeService::mNavigatorProperties. (2f1af755) (7614fe3db)
- import from UXP: [webrtc] Hold a self-ref on behalf of sigslot, just in case. (b73e47ce) (78080634a)
- import from UXP: [network] Force NUL termination in ToStringBuffer AF_LOCAL. (b55a39ac) (41934c874)
- import from UXP: [network] Hold strong ref in `nsSyncStreamListener::Available`. (68fd6722) (f3b7fcb56)
- import from UXP: [network] Ensure UDPSocket remains alive during CloseWithReason. (b6dec9b3) (302bb22b4)]]> * Notice: This repo will not be built on regular schedule, and changes are experimental as usual.
** Current moebius patch level should be on par with 52.9, but some security patches can not be applied/ported due to source milestone differences between versions.

Test binary:
Win32 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk55-win32-git-20260425-302bb22b4-xpmod.7z
Win64 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk55-win64-git-20260425-302bb22b4-xpmod.7z

repo: https://github.com/roytam1/basilisk55

Repo changes:
- ported from UXP: Issue #3027 - completely remove all remaining usages of dbus-glib from our tree (1d0967ab) (6d2744da8)
- ported from UXP: Issue #3050 - Backport 1379814: Prevent HelperThreads master-task deadlock (9454fcf5) (42025a271)
- import from UXP: Issue #3050 - Backport 1431353: Remove off-thread parse thread limit (52b3fada) (7dc548ee3)
- import from UXP: Issue #3049 - backport libffi loongarch support (dd645251) (7edcb4e7e)
- import from UXP: Issue #3038 - Fix ARM assembler issues in libpixman. (e98a43e4) (42ee52672)
- import from UXP: [NSS] ensure permittedSubtrees don't match wildcards that could be outside the permitted tree. (662d60c5) (f260735d9)
- import from UXP: [XPCOM] Update list of executable extensions on Windows. (4d731880) (7a76ddfc4)
- import from UXP: [DOM] More consistently use already-calculated image properties. (7aaf0ab7) (43dbe7a3c)
- ported from UXP: Issue #2946 - Follow-up: Sanity-check WMF video properties. (8ffe5094) (5b0e12f72)
- import from UXP: [network] use nsCOMPtr for mRequest in Base Channel's ScopedRequestSuspender (2ece5214) (d2f0f0020)
- ported from UXP: [media] Check alpha data pointer instead of length. (700b73f1) (43500eee0)
- import from UXP: [NSS] Protect rwSessionCount with slotLock. (29233ebc) (a55328afd)
- import from UXP: [NSS] Fix memory leak in NSC_GenerateKey error path. (69fdabab) (0fa7b241a)
- import from UXP: Issue #3058 - Part 1: Fix arithmetic issue in `ConvertYCbCrToRGB32` (6048fc0f) (09367b53d)
- import from UXP: [DOM] Update some DOM canvas checks. (4d91f637) (e2c2b6364)
- import from UXP: [network] Use locals for `VisitHeader` (269b0cdb) (d4b409586)
- import from UXP: [DOM] Add a death grip. (9e00ce77) (833519a34)
- import from UXP: [network] Hold strong ref in `nsDownloader::OnDataAvailable`. (cecf760a) (9ebf79d00)
- import from UXP: [network] Handle WebSocketChannel::IsPersistentFramePtr correctly. (8d189c48) (27e802bc6)
- import from UXP: Issue #3060 - Align cookie magic prefix handling with the updated spec. (fe8d5607) (74d13a53a)
- import from UXP: [DOM] Fix access to shared RuntimeService::mNavigatorProperties. (2f1af755) (7614fe3db)
- import from UXP: [webrtc] Hold a self-ref on behalf of sigslot, just in case. (b73e47ce) (78080634a)
- import from UXP: [network] Force NUL termination in ToStringBuffer AF_LOCAL. (b55a39ac) (41934c874)
- import from UXP: [network] Hold strong ref in `nsSyncStreamListener::Available`. (68fd6722) (f3b7fcb56)
- import from UXP: [network] Ensure UDPSocket remains alive during CloseWithReason. (b6dec9b3) (302bb22b4)]]> <![CDATA[RT1 Browser Platform :: Browsers release notes :: Reply by roytam1]]> 2026-05-01T22:47:31+00:00 2026-05-01T22:47:31+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=35&p=8980#p8980
Test binary:
Win32 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk52-g4.8.win32-git-20260502-3219d2d-uxp-9161cd3bdb-xpmod.7z
Win64 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk52-g4.8.win64-git-20260502-3219d2d-uxp-9161cd3bdb-xpmod.7z

source code that is comparable to my current working tree is available here: https://github.com/roytam1/UXP/commits/custom

IA32 Win32 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk52-g4.8.win32-git-20260502-3219d2d-uxp-9161cd3bdb-xpmod-ia32.7z

source code that is comparable to my current working tree is available here: https://github.com/roytam1/UXP/commits/ia32

NM28XP build:
Win32 https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win32-git-20260502-d849524bd-uxp-9161cd3bdb-xpmod.7z
Win32 IA32 https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win32-git-20260502-d849524bd-uxp-9161cd3bdb-xpmod-ia32.7z
Win32 SSE https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win32-git-20260502-d849524bd-uxp-9161cd3bdb-xpmod-sse.7z
Win64 https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win64-git-20260502-d849524bd-uxp-9161cd3bdb-xpmod.7z
Win7+ x64 AVX2 https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win64-git-20260502-d849524bd-uxp-9161cd3bdb-w7plus-avx2.7z

Official UXP changes picked since my last build:
- [DOM] Improve CC/WrapperCache for nursery objects. (a126257d80)
- [DOM] Ensure the GC sees consistent states while adopting DOM nodes. (0ca2e3ea42)
- [image] Hold a strong ref on error. (1a73ec0124)
- [NSS] Improve input validation in DSAU signature decoding (d6ff046d72)
- Bug 2025976 - Make txxPathNode be a value instead of reference. (f568fa4576)
- [DOM/XSLT] Re-fetch index entry. (0bf878118a)
- Bug 2025971 - Use txSingleNodeContext getter of owned txXPathNode. (368694e27a)
- [webrtc] Fix off-by-one comparison. (8a4c6d11e0)
- [gfx] Don't return dummy surfaces. (483bf0f43a)
- [accessibility] Hold a strong ref to mParent in AccIterator. (b2dc9706ca)
- Bug 2026293: Block scripts when initiating async scrollbar activity. (efbe3cb909)
- [widget] Improve clearing of data during clipboard operations. (8c3c8b4e91)
- [DOM] Add a SequenceRooter to ConsoleProfile. (470d5bd180)
- [DOM] Add a death grip and use locals in BaseMediaResource::ModifyLoadFlags. (d8b8649f92)
- [DOM/WebCrypto] Reject absurdly large salt values. (59887ccee8)
- [DOM] Avoid leaks in nsXMLPrettyPrinter. (bee96124c5)
- [NSS] Reject excessively large ASN.1 SEQUENCE OF in quickder. (9dd4cfcc64)
- No issue - Deduplicate HTMLAllCollection::GetSupportedNames code. (c087ec3c00)
- [DOM/XSLT] Prevent circular indexing (a0587881d6)
- [NSS] Deep copy profile data in CERT_FindSMimeProfile. (5f41bdffd4)
- Bug 2025483 update mBeginProcessing even on speex_resampler_set_rate() error (6cf972e912)
- Bug 2025332 - ErrorResult should call ClearUnionData more. (be70077b66)
- [gfx] Stop using binary arithmetic in software filtering. (4139582955)
- [DOM/XSLT] Don't use txXPathNode by reference. (853057cf33)
- Bug 2025370 - Properly handle error case in EventListenerManager::GetTypedEventHandler (096dffbcab)
- Issue #3030 - Reduce layout stalls due to compositor hang-ups. (58f5dd61ae)
- [js] Only allow strings as function name. (bcd936e548)
- [NSS] Clarify extension negotiation mechanism for TLS Handshakes. (e4fd587adf)
- Bug 2025973 - Use value-semantics for txExecutionState::TemplateRule (d419d35337)
- [gfx] Port libyuv upstream bounds check. (99c241d56f)
- [gfx] Explicitly cast calculation to int32. (602a2e35d8)
- Bug 2029427 - Fix format string (3d9478ef97)
- Bug 2029423 - Reset post_proc state. (a246b84e8b)
- Bug 2029317 - Create RareArgumentsData before mutating the arguments object in MappedArgumentsObject::obj_defineProperty. (5858cd226c)
- Bug 2029291. (5a065b86fc)
- [security] Ensure `DispatchToMainThreadAndWait` isn't interrupted. (69bd6af877)
- Bug 2029462 - store email on subject cache_entry in NSS trust domain. (7937766f4a)
- No issue - Update our in-tree brotli library to 1.2.0+ (1020e0cd4f)
- Revert "[gfx] Use local statics for harfbuzz callback pointers" (1f95ec61d6)
- Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/tracking' into custom (6be945e9da)
- Bug 2030135 - improve error handling in PK11_ImportPrivateKeyInfoAndReturnKey (a8571576a1)
- [DOM/media] Use extended channel data as-appropriate. (21d1a7dc24)
- [DOM] Add some death grips to TextTrackManager. (f897efd802)
- [image] Hold a strong ref on mInnerImage when requesting a refresh. (abd19068fb)
- Bug 2029425 - Heap use-after-free in cert_VerifyCertChainOld via dangling certsList[] entry on NameConstraints violation. (aad6fdd59b)
- Bug 2029323 - Improve size calculations in CMS content buffering (0329082cf0)
- [js] Use isElement in UnmappedArgSetter to check if the argument was marked as deleted. (8a3427845f)
- [gfx] OTS/HB: Correct bounds checks. (80b0fe5547)
- Bug 2029727: Update RegExpStatics data after realloc (08f1b381fc)
- [image] Don't do unnecessary work if the image is being destroyed. (85e32b8238)
- [media] Spot-fix for ffvpx handling of bad video data. (a7a5092b23)
- [parser] Handle foster parenting properly. (69d0209956)
- Revert "[DOM] Ensure the GC sees consistent states while adopting DOM nodes." (dcf89d342f)
- Bug 2027433 Treat null input channels as zero (83ef39ff44)
- Bug 2027433 use nullptr for silent up-mix channels (42f1ba1d29)
- Bug 2029806: Handle ill-formed UTF16 (f45cce8396)
- [DOM/media] Add some sanity checks to MP3 demuxer. (c748294a4a)
- [DOM] Validate size in FileReader. (dceb1c4fe6)
- Issue #3066 - Follow-up: Reserve threads for burst use cases. (38dc7b394e)
- [DOM] Do not interrupt worker execution if already scheduled. (bf526d7076)
- [gfx] Add sanity checks in ANGLE D3D11 renderer. (208e06dc84)

No official Pale-Moon changes picked since my last build.

No official Basilisk changes picked since my last build.

My changes picked since my last build:
- js-HelperThreads: reduce maxParseThreads() to cpuCount - 1, or 1 if CPU is dual core or less. (04e063ddee)
- dom/media: ffmpeg-audio: apply same changes to !MOZ_SAMPLE_TYPE_FLOAT32 code paths (27c36d1ea9)
- Revert "Spoof to Firefox 128 for WebExtensions" (12e7d147cf)

Update Notice:
- You may delete file named icudt*.dat and icu63.dll inside program folder when updating from old releases.

* Notice: From now on, UXP rev will point to `custom` branch of my UXP repo instead of MCP UXP repo, while "official UXP changes" shows only `tracking` branch changes.]]>
Test binary:
Win32 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk52-g4.8.win32-git-20260502-3219d2d-uxp-9161cd3bdb-xpmod.7z
Win64 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk52-g4.8.win64-git-20260502-3219d2d-uxp-9161cd3bdb-xpmod.7z

source code that is comparable to my current working tree is available here: https://github.com/roytam1/UXP/commits/custom

IA32 Win32 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk52-g4.8.win32-git-20260502-3219d2d-uxp-9161cd3bdb-xpmod-ia32.7z

source code that is comparable to my current working tree is available here: https://github.com/roytam1/UXP/commits/ia32

NM28XP build:
Win32 https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win32-git-20260502-d849524bd-uxp-9161cd3bdb-xpmod.7z
Win32 IA32 https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win32-git-20260502-d849524bd-uxp-9161cd3bdb-xpmod-ia32.7z
Win32 SSE https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win32-git-20260502-d849524bd-uxp-9161cd3bdb-xpmod-sse.7z
Win64 https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win64-git-20260502-d849524bd-uxp-9161cd3bdb-xpmod.7z
Win7+ x64 AVX2 https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win64-git-20260502-d849524bd-uxp-9161cd3bdb-w7plus-avx2.7z

Official UXP changes picked since my last build:
- [DOM] Improve CC/WrapperCache for nursery objects. (a126257d80)
- [DOM] Ensure the GC sees consistent states while adopting DOM nodes. (0ca2e3ea42)
- [image] Hold a strong ref on error. (1a73ec0124)
- [NSS] Improve input validation in DSAU signature decoding (d6ff046d72)
- Bug 2025976 - Make txxPathNode be a value instead of reference. (f568fa4576)
- [DOM/XSLT] Re-fetch index entry. (0bf878118a)
- Bug 2025971 - Use txSingleNodeContext getter of owned txXPathNode. (368694e27a)
- [webrtc] Fix off-by-one comparison. (8a4c6d11e0)
- [gfx] Don't return dummy surfaces. (483bf0f43a)
- [accessibility] Hold a strong ref to mParent in AccIterator. (b2dc9706ca)
- Bug 2026293: Block scripts when initiating async scrollbar activity. (efbe3cb909)
- [widget] Improve clearing of data during clipboard operations. (8c3c8b4e91)
- [DOM] Add a SequenceRooter to ConsoleProfile. (470d5bd180)
- [DOM] Add a death grip and use locals in BaseMediaResource::ModifyLoadFlags. (d8b8649f92)
- [DOM/WebCrypto] Reject absurdly large salt values. (59887ccee8)
- [DOM] Avoid leaks in nsXMLPrettyPrinter. (bee96124c5)
- [NSS] Reject excessively large ASN.1 SEQUENCE OF in quickder. (9dd4cfcc64)
- No issue - Deduplicate HTMLAllCollection::GetSupportedNames code. (c087ec3c00)
- [DOM/XSLT] Prevent circular indexing (a0587881d6)
- [NSS] Deep copy profile data in CERT_FindSMimeProfile. (5f41bdffd4)
- Bug 2025483 update mBeginProcessing even on speex_resampler_set_rate() error (6cf972e912)
- Bug 2025332 - ErrorResult should call ClearUnionData more. (be70077b66)
- [gfx] Stop using binary arithmetic in software filtering. (4139582955)
- [DOM/XSLT] Don't use txXPathNode by reference. (853057cf33)
- Bug 2025370 - Properly handle error case in EventListenerManager::GetTypedEventHandler (096dffbcab)
- Issue #3030 - Reduce layout stalls due to compositor hang-ups. (58f5dd61ae)
- [js] Only allow strings as function name. (bcd936e548)
- [NSS] Clarify extension negotiation mechanism for TLS Handshakes. (e4fd587adf)
- Bug 2025973 - Use value-semantics for txExecutionState::TemplateRule (d419d35337)
- [gfx] Port libyuv upstream bounds check. (99c241d56f)
- [gfx] Explicitly cast calculation to int32. (602a2e35d8)
- Bug 2029427 - Fix format string (3d9478ef97)
- Bug 2029423 - Reset post_proc state. (a246b84e8b)
- Bug 2029317 - Create RareArgumentsData before mutating the arguments object in MappedArgumentsObject::obj_defineProperty. (5858cd226c)
- Bug 2029291. (5a065b86fc)
- [security] Ensure `DispatchToMainThreadAndWait` isn't interrupted. (69bd6af877)
- Bug 2029462 - store email on subject cache_entry in NSS trust domain. (7937766f4a)
- No issue - Update our in-tree brotli library to 1.2.0+ (1020e0cd4f)
- Revert "[gfx] Use local statics for harfbuzz callback pointers" (1f95ec61d6)
- Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/tracking' into custom (6be945e9da)
- Bug 2030135 - improve error handling in PK11_ImportPrivateKeyInfoAndReturnKey (a8571576a1)
- [DOM/media] Use extended channel data as-appropriate. (21d1a7dc24)
- [DOM] Add some death grips to TextTrackManager. (f897efd802)
- [image] Hold a strong ref on mInnerImage when requesting a refresh. (abd19068fb)
- Bug 2029425 - Heap use-after-free in cert_VerifyCertChainOld via dangling certsList[] entry on NameConstraints violation. (aad6fdd59b)
- Bug 2029323 - Improve size calculations in CMS content buffering (0329082cf0)
- [js] Use isElement in UnmappedArgSetter to check if the argument was marked as deleted. (8a3427845f)
- [gfx] OTS/HB: Correct bounds checks. (80b0fe5547)
- Bug 2029727: Update RegExpStatics data after realloc (08f1b381fc)
- [image] Don't do unnecessary work if the image is being destroyed. (85e32b8238)
- [media] Spot-fix for ffvpx handling of bad video data. (a7a5092b23)
- [parser] Handle foster parenting properly. (69d0209956)
- Revert "[DOM] Ensure the GC sees consistent states while adopting DOM nodes." (dcf89d342f)
- Bug 2027433 Treat null input channels as zero (83ef39ff44)
- Bug 2027433 use nullptr for silent up-mix channels (42f1ba1d29)
- Bug 2029806: Handle ill-formed UTF16 (f45cce8396)
- [DOM/media] Add some sanity checks to MP3 demuxer. (c748294a4a)
- [DOM] Validate size in FileReader. (dceb1c4fe6)
- Issue #3066 - Follow-up: Reserve threads for burst use cases. (38dc7b394e)
- [DOM] Do not interrupt worker execution if already scheduled. (bf526d7076)
- [gfx] Add sanity checks in ANGLE D3D11 renderer. (208e06dc84)

No official Pale-Moon changes picked since my last build.

No official Basilisk changes picked since my last build.

My changes picked since my last build:
- js-HelperThreads: reduce maxParseThreads() to cpuCount - 1, or 1 if CPU is dual core or less. (04e063ddee)
- dom/media: ffmpeg-audio: apply same changes to !MOZ_SAMPLE_TYPE_FLOAT32 code paths (27c36d1ea9)
- Revert "Spoof to Firefox 128 for WebExtensions" (12e7d147cf)

Update Notice:
- You may delete file named icudt*.dat and icu63.dll inside program folder when updating from old releases.

* Notice: From now on, UXP rev will point to `custom` branch of my UXP repo instead of MCP UXP repo, while "official UXP changes" shows only `tracking` branch changes.]]> <![CDATA[RT1 Browser Platform :: Browsers release notes :: Reply by roytam1]]> 2026-05-01T22:47:44+00:00 2026-05-01T22:47:44+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=35&p=8981#p8981
Test binary:
MailNews Win32 https://o.rthost.win/boc-uxp/mailnews.win32-20260502-40a79c75-uxp-9161cd3bdb-xpmod.7z
BNavigator Win32 https://o.rthost.win/boc-uxp/bnavigator.win32-20260502-40a79c75-uxp-9161cd3bdb-xpmod.7z

source repo (excluding UXP): https://github.com/roytam1/boc-uxp/tree/custom

* Notice: the profile prefix (i.e. parent folder names) are also changed since 2020-08-15 build, you may rename their names before using new binaries when updating from builds before 2020-08-15.

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New build of HBL-UXP for XP!

Test binary:
IceDove-UXP(mail) https://o.rthost.win/hbl-uxp/icedove.win32-20260502-id-656ea98-uxp-9161cd3bdb-xpmod.7z
IceApe-UXP(suite) https://o.rthost.win/hbl-uxp/iceape.win32-20260502-id-656ea98-ia-c642e3c-uxp-9161cd3bdb-xpmod.7z

source repo (excluding UXP):
https://github.com/roytam1/icedove-uxp/tree/winbuild
https://github.com/roytam1/iceape-uxp/tree/winbuild]]>
Test binary:
MailNews Win32 https://o.rthost.win/boc-uxp/mailnews.win32-20260502-40a79c75-uxp-9161cd3bdb-xpmod.7z
BNavigator Win32 https://o.rthost.win/boc-uxp/bnavigator.win32-20260502-40a79c75-uxp-9161cd3bdb-xpmod.7z

source repo (excluding UXP): https://github.com/roytam1/boc-uxp/tree/custom

* Notice: the profile prefix (i.e. parent folder names) are also changed since 2020-08-15 build, you may rename their names before using new binaries when updating from builds before 2020-08-15.

--

New build of HBL-UXP for XP!

Test binary:
IceDove-UXP(mail) https://o.rthost.win/hbl-uxp/icedove.win32-20260502-id-656ea98-uxp-9161cd3bdb-xpmod.7z
IceApe-UXP(suite) https://o.rthost.win/hbl-uxp/iceape.win32-20260502-id-656ea98-ia-c642e3c-uxp-9161cd3bdb-xpmod.7z

source repo (excluding UXP):
https://github.com/roytam1/icedove-uxp/tree/winbuild
https://github.com/roytam1/iceape-uxp/tree/winbuild]]> <![CDATA[RT1 Browser Platform :: Browsers release notes :: Reply by roytam1]]> 2026-05-01T22:47:52+00:00 2026-05-01T22:47:52+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=35&p=8982#p8982 * Notice: This repo will not be built on regular schedule, and changes are experimental as usual.
** Current moebius patch level should be on par with 52.9, but some security patches can not be applied/ported due to source milestone differences between versions.

Test binary:
Win32 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk55-win32-git-20260502-6359349a8-xpmod.7z
Win64 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk55-win64-git-20260502-6359349a8-xpmod.7z

repo: https://github.com/roytam1/basilisk55

Repo changes:
- js-HelperThreads: reduce maxParseThreads() to cpuCount - 1, or 1 if CPU is dual core or less. (f57dec529)
- import from UXP: [DOM] Improve CC/WrapperCache for nursery objects. (a126257d) (b7384e984)
- import from UXP: [DOM] Ensure the GC sees consistent states while adopting DOM nodes. (0ca2e3ea) (028fc21c4)
- import from UXP: [image] Hold a strong ref on error. (1a73ec01) (cd6e0c85c)
- import from UXP: [NSS] Improve input validation in DSAU signature decoding (d6ff046d) (94fb8c8a6)
- import from UXP: Bug 2025976 - Make txxPathNode be a value instead of reference. (f568fa45) (6dff65471)
- import from UXP: [DOM/XSLT] Re-fetch index entry. (0bf87811) (f5b7cc8f4)
- import from UXP: Bug 2025971 - Use txSingleNodeContext getter of owned txXPathNode. (368694e2) (48085b1b1)
- import from UXP: [webrtc] Fix off-by-one comparison. (8a4c6d11) (45313bc26)
- import from UXP: [gfx] Don't return dummy surfaces. (483bf0f4) (f6e88778a)
- import from UXP: [accessibility] Hold a strong ref to mParent in AccIterator. (b2dc9706) (54630631b)
- import from UXP: Bug 2026293: Block scripts when initiating async scrollbar activity. (efbe3cb9) (552fd9cd5)
- import from UXP: [widget] Improve clearing of data during clipboard operations. (8c3c8b4e) (3d5310370)
- import from UXP: [DOM] Add a SequenceRooter to ConsoleProfile. (470d5bd1) (567dd94b9)
- import from UXP: [DOM] Add a death grip and use locals in BaseMediaResource::ModifyLoadFlags. (d8b8649f) (5d45ef230)
- ported from UXP: [DOM/WebCrypto] Reject absurdly large salt values. (59887cce) (5eb1e866c)
- import from UXP: [DOM] Avoid leaks in nsXMLPrettyPrinter. (bee96124) (5f5e71842)
- import from UXP: [NSS] Reject excessively large ASN.1 SEQUENCE OF in quickder. (9dd4cfcc) (8679b848c)
- import from UXP: No issue - Deduplicate HTMLAllCollection::GetSupportedNames code. (c087ec3c) (c85450456)
- import from UXP: [DOM/XSLT] Prevent circular indexing (a0587881) (0d91cf9e1)
- import from UXP: [NSS] Deep copy profile data in CERT_FindSMimeProfile. (5f41bdff) (028ac906b)
- import from UXP: Bug 2025483 update mBeginProcessing even on speex_resampler_set_rate() error (6cf972e9) (7c1504d7a)
- import from UXP: Bug 2025332 - ErrorResult should call ClearUnionData more. (be70077b) (893fa710a)
- import from UXP: [gfx] Stop using binary arithmetic in software filtering. (41395829) (1baea0354)
- import from UXP: [DOM/XSLT] Don't use txXPathNode by reference. (853057cf) (04f036803)
- import from UXP: Bug 2025370 - Properly handle error case in EventListenerManager::GetTypedEventHandler (096dffbc) (4980c3894)
- import from UXP: Issue #3030 - Reduce layout stalls due to compositor hang-ups. (58f5dd61) (7fbc7b10f)
- import from UXP: [js] Only allow strings as function name. (bcd936e5) (42ef7b821)
- import from UXP: [NSS] Clarify extension negotiation mechanism for TLS Handshakes. (e4fd587a) (4378c0b3c)
- import from UXP: Bug 2025973 - Use value-semantics for txExecutionState::TemplateRule (d419d353) (87d44e0bd)
- import from UXP: [gfx] Port libyuv upstream bounds check. (99c241d5) (aff4c6aaf)
- import from UXP: [gfx] Explicitly cast calculation to int32. (602a2e35) (0b3db11cd)
- import from UXP: Bug 2029427 - Fix format string (3d9478ef) (f66af5be4)
- import from UXP: Bug 2029423 - Reset post_proc state. (a246b84e) (09653f2d4)
- import from UXP: Bug 2029317 - Create RareArgumentsData before mutating the arguments object in MappedArgumentsObject::obj_defineProperty. (5858cd22) (fd5eeca9c)
- import from UXP: Bug 2029291. (5a065b86) (354483e5c)
- import from UXP: [security] Ensure `DispatchToMainThreadAndWait` isn't interrupted. (69bd6af8) (a057cae18)
- import from UXP: Bug 2029462 - store email on subject cache_entry in NSS trust domain. (7937766f) (df3e0635e)
- ported from UXP: No issue - Update our in-tree brotli library to 1.2.0+ (1020e0cd) (d22e189a4)
- import from UXP: Revert "[gfx] Use local statics for harfbuzz callback pointers" (1f95ec61) (4b46a260f)
- import from UXP: Bug 2030135 - improve error handling in PK11_ImportPrivateKeyInfoAndReturnKey (a8571576) (4dc05471f)
- ported from UXP: [DOM/media] Use extended channel data as-appropriate. (21d1a7dc) (43f62a272)
- ported from UXP: [DOM] Add some death grips to TextTrackManager. (f897efd8) (8fd3ea341)
- import from UXP: [image] Hold a strong ref on mInnerImage when requesting a refresh. (abd19068) (52c7f4c2c)
- import from UXP: Bug 2029425 - Heap use-after-free in cert_VerifyCertChainOld via dangling certsList[] entry on NameConstraints violation. (aad6fdd5) (a81abc48d)
- import from UXP: Bug 2029323 - Improve size calculations in CMS content buffering (0329082c) (6ffc4f152)
- import from UXP: [js] Use isElement in UnmappedArgSetter to check if the argument was marked as deleted. (8a342784) (72dd26b2f)
- import from UXP: [gfx] OTS/HB: Correct bounds checks. (80b0fe55) (9de8f8123)
- import from UXP: Bug 2029727: Update RegExpStatics data after realloc (08f1b381) (8d925fbd1)
- import from UXP: [image] Don't do unnecessary work if the image is being destroyed. (85e32b82) (b2acfc720)
- import from UXP: [media] Spot-fix for ffvpx handling of bad video data. (a7a5092b) (9ba9b9a29)
- import from UXP: [parser] Handle foster parenting properly. (69d02099) (284e76377)
- import from UXP: Revert "[DOM] Ensure the GC sees consistent states while adopting DOM nodes." (dcf89d34) (3149e2dd8)
- import from UXP: Bug 2027433 Treat null input channels as zero (83ef39ff) (403ec902a)
- import from UXP: Bug 2027433 use nullptr for silent up-mix channels (42f1ba1d) (ddf51d3fa)
- Revert "ported from `custom` branch of UXP: Spoof to Firefox 128 for WebExtensions (ae7c40d4)" (2ec5548c9)
- import from UXP: Bug 2029806: Handle ill-formed UTF16 (f45cce83) (feeff479f)
- import from UXP: [DOM/media] Add some sanity checks to MP3 demuxer. (c748294a) (43464120e)
- import from UXP: [DOM] Validate size in FileReader. (dceb1c4f) (96709570c)
- import from UXP: [DOM] Do not interrupt worker execution if already scheduled. (bf526d70) (b79b897b6)
- ported from UXP: [gfx] Add sanity checks in ANGLE D3D11 renderer. (208e06dc) (6359349a8)]]> * Notice: This repo will not be built on regular schedule, and changes are experimental as usual.
** Current moebius patch level should be on par with 52.9, but some security patches can not be applied/ported due to source milestone differences between versions.

Test binary:
Win32 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk55-win32-git-20260502-6359349a8-xpmod.7z
Win64 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk55-win64-git-20260502-6359349a8-xpmod.7z

repo: https://github.com/roytam1/basilisk55

Repo changes:
- js-HelperThreads: reduce maxParseThreads() to cpuCount - 1, or 1 if CPU is dual core or less. (f57dec529)
- import from UXP: [DOM] Improve CC/WrapperCache for nursery objects. (a126257d) (b7384e984)
- import from UXP: [DOM] Ensure the GC sees consistent states while adopting DOM nodes. (0ca2e3ea) (028fc21c4)
- import from UXP: [image] Hold a strong ref on error. (1a73ec01) (cd6e0c85c)
- import from UXP: [NSS] Improve input validation in DSAU signature decoding (d6ff046d) (94fb8c8a6)
- import from UXP: Bug 2025976 - Make txxPathNode be a value instead of reference. (f568fa45) (6dff65471)
- import from UXP: [DOM/XSLT] Re-fetch index entry. (0bf87811) (f5b7cc8f4)
- import from UXP: Bug 2025971 - Use txSingleNodeContext getter of owned txXPathNode. (368694e2) (48085b1b1)
- import from UXP: [webrtc] Fix off-by-one comparison. (8a4c6d11) (45313bc26)
- import from UXP: [gfx] Don't return dummy surfaces. (483bf0f4) (f6e88778a)
- import from UXP: [accessibility] Hold a strong ref to mParent in AccIterator. (b2dc9706) (54630631b)
- import from UXP: Bug 2026293: Block scripts when initiating async scrollbar activity. (efbe3cb9) (552fd9cd5)
- import from UXP: [widget] Improve clearing of data during clipboard operations. (8c3c8b4e) (3d5310370)
- import from UXP: [DOM] Add a SequenceRooter to ConsoleProfile. (470d5bd1) (567dd94b9)
- import from UXP: [DOM] Add a death grip and use locals in BaseMediaResource::ModifyLoadFlags. (d8b8649f) (5d45ef230)
- ported from UXP: [DOM/WebCrypto] Reject absurdly large salt values. (59887cce) (5eb1e866c)
- import from UXP: [DOM] Avoid leaks in nsXMLPrettyPrinter. (bee96124) (5f5e71842)
- import from UXP: [NSS] Reject excessively large ASN.1 SEQUENCE OF in quickder. (9dd4cfcc) (8679b848c)
- import from UXP: No issue - Deduplicate HTMLAllCollection::GetSupportedNames code. (c087ec3c) (c85450456)
- import from UXP: [DOM/XSLT] Prevent circular indexing (a0587881) (0d91cf9e1)
- import from UXP: [NSS] Deep copy profile data in CERT_FindSMimeProfile. (5f41bdff) (028ac906b)
- import from UXP: Bug 2025483 update mBeginProcessing even on speex_resampler_set_rate() error (6cf972e9) (7c1504d7a)
- import from UXP: Bug 2025332 - ErrorResult should call ClearUnionData more. (be70077b) (893fa710a)
- import from UXP: [gfx] Stop using binary arithmetic in software filtering. (41395829) (1baea0354)
- import from UXP: [DOM/XSLT] Don't use txXPathNode by reference. (853057cf) (04f036803)
- import from UXP: Bug 2025370 - Properly handle error case in EventListenerManager::GetTypedEventHandler (096dffbc) (4980c3894)
- import from UXP: Issue #3030 - Reduce layout stalls due to compositor hang-ups. (58f5dd61) (7fbc7b10f)
- import from UXP: [js] Only allow strings as function name. (bcd936e5) (42ef7b821)
- import from UXP: [NSS] Clarify extension negotiation mechanism for TLS Handshakes. (e4fd587a) (4378c0b3c)
- import from UXP: Bug 2025973 - Use value-semantics for txExecutionState::TemplateRule (d419d353) (87d44e0bd)
- import from UXP: [gfx] Port libyuv upstream bounds check. (99c241d5) (aff4c6aaf)
- import from UXP: [gfx] Explicitly cast calculation to int32. (602a2e35) (0b3db11cd)
- import from UXP: Bug 2029427 - Fix format string (3d9478ef) (f66af5be4)
- import from UXP: Bug 2029423 - Reset post_proc state. (a246b84e) (09653f2d4)
- import from UXP: Bug 2029317 - Create RareArgumentsData before mutating the arguments object in MappedArgumentsObject::obj_defineProperty. (5858cd22) (fd5eeca9c)
- import from UXP: Bug 2029291. (5a065b86) (354483e5c)
- import from UXP: [security] Ensure `DispatchToMainThreadAndWait` isn't interrupted. (69bd6af8) (a057cae18)
- import from UXP: Bug 2029462 - store email on subject cache_entry in NSS trust domain. (7937766f) (df3e0635e)
- ported from UXP: No issue - Update our in-tree brotli library to 1.2.0+ (1020e0cd) (d22e189a4)
- import from UXP: Revert "[gfx] Use local statics for harfbuzz callback pointers" (1f95ec61) (4b46a260f)
- import from UXP: Bug 2030135 - improve error handling in PK11_ImportPrivateKeyInfoAndReturnKey (a8571576) (4dc05471f)
- ported from UXP: [DOM/media] Use extended channel data as-appropriate. (21d1a7dc) (43f62a272)
- ported from UXP: [DOM] Add some death grips to TextTrackManager. (f897efd8) (8fd3ea341)
- import from UXP: [image] Hold a strong ref on mInnerImage when requesting a refresh. (abd19068) (52c7f4c2c)
- import from UXP: Bug 2029425 - Heap use-after-free in cert_VerifyCertChainOld via dangling certsList[] entry on NameConstraints violation. (aad6fdd5) (a81abc48d)
- import from UXP: Bug 2029323 - Improve size calculations in CMS content buffering (0329082c) (6ffc4f152)
- import from UXP: [js] Use isElement in UnmappedArgSetter to check if the argument was marked as deleted. (8a342784) (72dd26b2f)
- import from UXP: [gfx] OTS/HB: Correct bounds checks. (80b0fe55) (9de8f8123)
- import from UXP: Bug 2029727: Update RegExpStatics data after realloc (08f1b381) (8d925fbd1)
- import from UXP: [image] Don't do unnecessary work if the image is being destroyed. (85e32b82) (b2acfc720)
- import from UXP: [media] Spot-fix for ffvpx handling of bad video data. (a7a5092b) (9ba9b9a29)
- import from UXP: [parser] Handle foster parenting properly. (69d02099) (284e76377)
- import from UXP: Revert "[DOM] Ensure the GC sees consistent states while adopting DOM nodes." (dcf89d34) (3149e2dd8)
- import from UXP: Bug 2027433 Treat null input channels as zero (83ef39ff) (403ec902a)
- import from UXP: Bug 2027433 use nullptr for silent up-mix channels (42f1ba1d) (ddf51d3fa)
- Revert "ported from `custom` branch of UXP: Spoof to Firefox 128 for WebExtensions (ae7c40d4)" (2ec5548c9)
- import from UXP: Bug 2029806: Handle ill-formed UTF16 (f45cce83) (feeff479f)
- import from UXP: [DOM/media] Add some sanity checks to MP3 demuxer. (c748294a) (43464120e)
- import from UXP: [DOM] Validate size in FileReader. (dceb1c4f) (96709570c)
- import from UXP: [DOM] Do not interrupt worker execution if already scheduled. (bf526d70) (b79b897b6)
- ported from UXP: [gfx] Add sanity checks in ANGLE D3D11 renderer. (208e06dc) (6359349a8)]]> <![CDATA[RT1 Browser Platform :: Browsers release notes :: Reply by roytam1]]> 2026-05-08T23:08:10+00:00 2026-05-08T23:08:10+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=35&p=9037#p9037
Test binary:
Win32 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk52-g4.8.win32-git-20260509-3219d2d-uxp-bebacdeb48-xpmod.7z
Win64 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk52-g4.8.win64-git-20260509-3219d2d-uxp-bebacdeb48-xpmod.7z

source code that is comparable to my current working tree is available here: https://github.com/roytam1/UXP/commits/custom

IA32 Win32 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk52-g4.8.win32-git-20260509-3219d2d-uxp-bebacdeb48-xpmod-ia32.7z

source code that is comparable to my current working tree is available here: https://github.com/roytam1/UXP/commits/ia32

NM28XP build:
Win32 https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win32-git-20260509-d849524bd-uxp-bebacdeb48-xpmod.7z
Win32 IA32 https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win32-git-20260509-d849524bd-uxp-bebacdeb48-xpmod-ia32.7z
Win32 SSE https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win32-git-20260509-d849524bd-uxp-bebacdeb48-xpmod-sse.7z
Win64 https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win64-git-20260509-d849524bd-uxp-bebacdeb48-xpmod.7z
Win7+ x64 AVX2 https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win64-git-20260509-d849524bd-uxp-bebacdeb48-w7plus-avx2.7z

Official UXP changes picked since my last build:
- Issue #3075 - Backport bug 1377238 - Free finished IonBuilders off-thread. (57f841bf6e)
- Issue #3075 - Backport bug 1398140 - Remove the Ion helper thread pausing (6e638a5d39)
- Issue #3079 - Add EGL-aware X11 GL probing and fallback (f8ad674b35)
- Issue #3079 - Use desktop OpenGL for X11 EGL (5f72c9b23b)
- Issue #3079 - Silence EGL library load logging (e37be1c0e7)
- Issue #3079 - only build the X11-specific GL code on X11 systems (1cd178a938)
- Issue #3083 - Turn debug-only assert into a skip. (9e83146d96)
- Issue #3083 - Add sanity check to EmulatedIndexedStorage::getNativeStorage (66b46610a9)
- Issue #3083 - Fix incorrect nullcheck. (d8aab0e846)
- Bug 2034352 - Make URL::SearchParams return an already_AddRefed (d6acd9e6a3)
- [gfx] Fix integer overflow in cairo PDF surface image emission (121a74e183)
- [layout] Check offset against start of skip range. (80b4d0fb2b)

No official Pale-Moon changes picked since my last build.

No official Basilisk changes picked since my last build.

My changes picked since my last build:
- dom/html: add checks to prevent accessing nullptr object (64c9ce8c68)

Update Notice:
- You may delete file named icudt*.dat and icu63.dll inside program folder when updating from old releases.

* Notice: From now on, UXP rev will point to `custom` branch of my UXP repo instead of MCP UXP repo, while "official UXP changes" shows only `tracking` branch changes.]]>
Test binary:
Win32 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk52-g4.8.win32-git-20260509-3219d2d-uxp-bebacdeb48-xpmod.7z
Win64 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk52-g4.8.win64-git-20260509-3219d2d-uxp-bebacdeb48-xpmod.7z

source code that is comparable to my current working tree is available here: https://github.com/roytam1/UXP/commits/custom

IA32 Win32 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk52-g4.8.win32-git-20260509-3219d2d-uxp-bebacdeb48-xpmod-ia32.7z

source code that is comparable to my current working tree is available here: https://github.com/roytam1/UXP/commits/ia32

NM28XP build:
Win32 https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win32-git-20260509-d849524bd-uxp-bebacdeb48-xpmod.7z
Win32 IA32 https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win32-git-20260509-d849524bd-uxp-bebacdeb48-xpmod-ia32.7z
Win32 SSE https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win32-git-20260509-d849524bd-uxp-bebacdeb48-xpmod-sse.7z
Win64 https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win64-git-20260509-d849524bd-uxp-bebacdeb48-xpmod.7z
Win7+ x64 AVX2 https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.7a1.win64-git-20260509-d849524bd-uxp-bebacdeb48-w7plus-avx2.7z

Official UXP changes picked since my last build:
- Issue #3075 - Backport bug 1377238 - Free finished IonBuilders off-thread. (57f841bf6e)
- Issue #3075 - Backport bug 1398140 - Remove the Ion helper thread pausing (6e638a5d39)
- Issue #3079 - Add EGL-aware X11 GL probing and fallback (f8ad674b35)
- Issue #3079 - Use desktop OpenGL for X11 EGL (5f72c9b23b)
- Issue #3079 - Silence EGL library load logging (e37be1c0e7)
- Issue #3079 - only build the X11-specific GL code on X11 systems (1cd178a938)
- Issue #3083 - Turn debug-only assert into a skip. (9e83146d96)
- Issue #3083 - Add sanity check to EmulatedIndexedStorage::getNativeStorage (66b46610a9)
- Issue #3083 - Fix incorrect nullcheck. (d8aab0e846)
- Bug 2034352 - Make URL::SearchParams return an already_AddRefed (d6acd9e6a3)
- [gfx] Fix integer overflow in cairo PDF surface image emission (121a74e183)
- [layout] Check offset against start of skip range. (80b4d0fb2b)

No official Pale-Moon changes picked since my last build.

No official Basilisk changes picked since my last build.

My changes picked since my last build:
- dom/html: add checks to prevent accessing nullptr object (64c9ce8c68)

Update Notice:
- You may delete file named icudt*.dat and icu63.dll inside program folder when updating from old releases.

* Notice: From now on, UXP rev will point to `custom` branch of my UXP repo instead of MCP UXP repo, while "official UXP changes" shows only `tracking` branch changes.]]> <![CDATA[RT1 Browser Platform :: Browsers release notes :: Reply by roytam1]]> 2026-05-08T23:08:26+00:00 2026-05-08T23:08:26+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=35&p=9038#p9038
Test binary:
MailNews Win32 https://o.rthost.win/boc-uxp/mailnews.win32-20260509-40a79c75-uxp-bebacdeb48-xpmod.7z
BNavigator Win32 https://o.rthost.win/boc-uxp/bnavigator.win32-20260509-40a79c75-uxp-bebacdeb48-xpmod.7z

source repo (excluding UXP): https://github.com/roytam1/boc-uxp/tree/custom

* Notice: the profile prefix (i.e. parent folder names) are also changed since 2020-08-15 build, you may rename their names before using new binaries when updating from builds before 2020-08-15.

--

New build of HBL-UXP for XP!

Test binary:
IceDove-UXP(mail) https://o.rthost.win/hbl-uxp/icedove.win32-20260509-id-656ea98-uxp-bebacdeb48-xpmod.7z
IceApe-UXP(suite) https://o.rthost.win/hbl-uxp/iceape.win32-20260509-id-656ea98-ia-c642e3c-uxp-bebacdeb48-xpmod.7z

source repo (excluding UXP):
https://github.com/roytam1/icedove-uxp/tree/winbuild
https://github.com/roytam1/iceape-uxp/tree/winbuild]]>
Test binary:
MailNews Win32 https://o.rthost.win/boc-uxp/mailnews.win32-20260509-40a79c75-uxp-bebacdeb48-xpmod.7z
BNavigator Win32 https://o.rthost.win/boc-uxp/bnavigator.win32-20260509-40a79c75-uxp-bebacdeb48-xpmod.7z

source repo (excluding UXP): https://github.com/roytam1/boc-uxp/tree/custom

* Notice: the profile prefix (i.e. parent folder names) are also changed since 2020-08-15 build, you may rename their names before using new binaries when updating from builds before 2020-08-15.

--

New build of HBL-UXP for XP!

Test binary:
IceDove-UXP(mail) https://o.rthost.win/hbl-uxp/icedove.win32-20260509-id-656ea98-uxp-bebacdeb48-xpmod.7z
IceApe-UXP(suite) https://o.rthost.win/hbl-uxp/iceape.win32-20260509-id-656ea98-ia-c642e3c-uxp-bebacdeb48-xpmod.7z

source repo (excluding UXP):
https://github.com/roytam1/icedove-uxp/tree/winbuild
https://github.com/roytam1/iceape-uxp/tree/winbuild]]> <![CDATA[RT1 Browser Platform :: Browsers release notes :: Reply by roytam1]]> 2026-05-08T23:08:38+00:00 2026-05-08T23:08:38+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=35&p=9039#p9039 * Notice: This repo will not be built on regular schedule, and changes are experimental as usual.
** Current moebius patch level should be on par with 52.9, but some security patches can not be applied/ported due to source milestone differences between versions.

Test binary:
Win32 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk55-win32-git-20260509-53149e33f-xpmod.7z
Win64 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk55-win64-git-20260509-53149e33f-xpmod.7z

repo: https://github.com/roytam1/basilisk55

Repo changes:
- dom/html: add checks to prevent accessing nullptr object (910ff6885)
- ported from UXP: Issue #3075 - Backport bug 1377238 - Free finished IonBuilders off-thread. (57f841bf) (87ecb6957)
- ported from UXP: Issue #3075 - Backport bug 1398140 - Remove the Ion helper thread pausing (6e638a5d) (82a80deac)
- ported from UXP: Issue #3079 - Add EGL-aware X11 GL probing and fallback (f8ad674b) (eec003417)
- ported from UXP: Issue #3079 - Use desktop OpenGL for X11 EGL (5f72c9b2) (728362126)
- ported from UXP: Issue #3079 - Silence EGL library load logging (e37be1c0) (2cf4e29fe)
- import from UXP: Issue #3079 - only build the X11-specific GL code on X11 systems (1cd178a9) (06a5b6993)
- import from UXP: Issue #3083 - Turn debug-only assert into a skip. (9e83146d) (e74a62085)
- import from UXP: Issue #3083 - Add sanity check to EmulatedIndexedStorage::getNativeStorage (66b46610) (2f812c59d)
- import from UXP: Issue #3083 - Fix incorrect nullcheck. (d8aab0e8) (0d803ab16)
- import from UXP: Bug 2034352 - Make URL::SearchParams return an already_AddRefed (d6acd9e6) (44d151de0)
- import from UXP: [gfx] Fix integer overflow in cairo PDF surface image emission (121a74e1) (ccd531275)
- import from UXP: [layout] Check offset against start of skip range. (80b4d0fb) (53149e33f)]]> * Notice: This repo will not be built on regular schedule, and changes are experimental as usual.
** Current moebius patch level should be on par with 52.9, but some security patches can not be applied/ported due to source milestone differences between versions.

Test binary:
Win32 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk55-win32-git-20260509-53149e33f-xpmod.7z
Win64 https://o.rthost.win/basilisk/basilisk55-win64-git-20260509-53149e33f-xpmod.7z

repo: https://github.com/roytam1/basilisk55

Repo changes:
- dom/html: add checks to prevent accessing nullptr object (910ff6885)
- ported from UXP: Issue #3075 - Backport bug 1377238 - Free finished IonBuilders off-thread. (57f841bf) (87ecb6957)
- ported from UXP: Issue #3075 - Backport bug 1398140 - Remove the Ion helper thread pausing (6e638a5d) (82a80deac)
- ported from UXP: Issue #3079 - Add EGL-aware X11 GL probing and fallback (f8ad674b) (eec003417)
- ported from UXP: Issue #3079 - Use desktop OpenGL for X11 EGL (5f72c9b2) (728362126)
- ported from UXP: Issue #3079 - Silence EGL library load logging (e37be1c0) (2cf4e29fe)
- import from UXP: Issue #3079 - only build the X11-specific GL code on X11 systems (1cd178a9) (06a5b6993)
- import from UXP: Issue #3083 - Turn debug-only assert into a skip. (9e83146d) (e74a62085)
- import from UXP: Issue #3083 - Add sanity check to EmulatedIndexedStorage::getNativeStorage (66b46610) (2f812c59d)
- import from UXP: Issue #3083 - Fix incorrect nullcheck. (d8aab0e8) (0d803ab16)
- import from UXP: Bug 2034352 - Make URL::SearchParams return an already_AddRefed (d6acd9e6) (44d151de0)
- import from UXP: [gfx] Fix integer overflow in cairo PDF surface image emission (121a74e1) (ccd531275)
- import from UXP: [layout] Check offset against start of skip range. (80b4d0fb) (53149e33f)]]> <![CDATA[Mypal Browser :: New Mypal68 :: Reply by BAVBR]]> 2026-04-18T16:58:21+00:00 2026-04-18T16:58:21+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=658&p=8868#p8868 https://github.com/bav-br/Mypal68-pt-br-langpack/releases/tag/v78.0.2]]> https://github.com/bav-br/Mypal68-pt-br-langpack/releases/tag/v78.0.2]]> <![CDATA[Community ISOs :: Windows 11 Retrograde :: Author demaxxander04]]> 2026-04-10T12:01:04+00:00 2026-04-10T12:01:04+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=965&p=8724#p8724

What is Windows 11 Retrograde?
Windows 11 Retrograde is a Windows modification based on Windows 11 IoT LTSC 2024, which tries to remind Windows XP, if it was made in current times, albeit without bloatware like Copilot, Edge or others.
Features:
• nostalgic vibe of Windows XP
• various vintage games included (featuring classics, such as Solitaire, Pinball, Purble Place and others!)
• no bloatware featured in regular Windows 11 editions
• a slightly better performance than stock Windows 11
• no TPM or Secure Boot requirements
• limited 16-bit support, provided by OTVDM

Version 5.11_4 ISO Download
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BFFCY6NEsqELpxP5QvR0mMC_knWcaJR4/view?usp=sharing

If you encounter an issue with the 0xC0000005 installation error, you have to restart it

Raytek forum post:
https://forum.raytek.cafe/viewtopic.php?t=76


Can I run this on real machine?
Yes you can, but I must recommend to install on VM first and then if you are comfy enough to use it as daily drive OS, you can use it on your host

What are system requirements for this mod?
This modification of the operating system has the same requirements as Windows 11 IoT LTSC 2024, which can be checked at Microsoft’s website.
The OS doesn’t require TPM 2.0 nor Secure Boot to work, due to its base.

Is Windows pre-activated?
For legal reasons, Windows is not activated. You need to activate Windows yourself.

How do get store on this mod?
Use this command on powershell as administrator:

Code: Select all

wsreset -i
If it doesn't work, you can try this: https://github.com/minihub/LTSC-Add-MicrosoftStore

Do games work on this mod?
Yes! but for UWP games (Forza Horizon series for example) require Xbox dependencies to run:

AppInstaller, Xbox Identity Provider, Xbox GameBar, Xbox app

For more information about this modification: https://drive.google.com/file/d/13qO60P6LSIITO2f4inOlHzPaWXYHZbEj/view?usp=sharing

Other Screenshots:
- Setup (Rectify11 2.5 modified):
Image
- Multicolor Variant:
Image
- Light Theme:
Image
- Paranoid Theme:
Image
- Luna Theme (Beta):
Image
- Windows 11 (Bloom):
Image
- Shutdown prompt:
Image]]>

What is Windows 11 Retrograde?
Windows 11 Retrograde is a Windows modification based on Windows 11 IoT LTSC 2024, which tries to remind Windows XP, if it was made in current times, albeit without bloatware like Copilot, Edge or others.
Features:
• nostalgic vibe of Windows XP
• various vintage games included (featuring classics, such as Solitaire, Pinball, Purble Place and others!)
• no bloatware featured in regular Windows 11 editions
• a slightly better performance than stock Windows 11
• no TPM or Secure Boot requirements
• limited 16-bit support, provided by OTVDM

Version 5.11_4 ISO Download
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BFFCY6NEsqELpxP5QvR0mMC_knWcaJR4/view?usp=sharing

If you encounter an issue with the 0xC0000005 installation error, you have to restart it

Raytek forum post:
https://forum.raytek.cafe/viewtopic.php?t=76


Can I run this on real machine?
Yes you can, but I must recommend to install on VM first and then if you are comfy enough to use it as daily drive OS, you can use it on your host

What are system requirements for this mod?
This modification of the operating system has the same requirements as Windows 11 IoT LTSC 2024, which can be checked at Microsoft’s website.
The OS doesn’t require TPM 2.0 nor Secure Boot to work, due to its base.

Is Windows pre-activated?
For legal reasons, Windows is not activated. You need to activate Windows yourself.

How do get store on this mod?
Use this command on powershell as administrator:

Code: Select all

wsreset -i
If it doesn't work, you can try this: https://github.com/minihub/LTSC-Add-MicrosoftStore

Do games work on this mod?
Yes! but for UWP games (Forza Horizon series for example) require Xbox dependencies to run:

AppInstaller, Xbox Identity Provider, Xbox GameBar, Xbox app

For more information about this modification: https://drive.google.com/file/d/13qO60P6LSIITO2f4inOlHzPaWXYHZbEj/view?usp=sharing

Other Screenshots:
- Setup (Rectify11 2.5 modified):
Image
- Multicolor Variant:
Image
- Light Theme:
Image
- Paranoid Theme:
Image
- Luna Theme (Beta):
Image
- Windows 11 (Bloom):
Image
- Shutdown prompt:
Image]]> <![CDATA[Community ISOs :: Windows 11 Retrograde :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-10T14:19:22+00:00 2026-04-10T14:19:22+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=965&p=8725#p8725
demaxxander04 wrote: ↑10 Apr 2026, 12:01 albeit without bloatware like Copilot, Edge or others.
I haven't allowed it internet access, but it looks like Edge is included and attempts to update at every boot.

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demaxxander04 wrote: ↑10 Apr 2026, 12:01 albeit without bloatware like Copilot, Edge or others.
I haven't allowed it internet access, but it looks like Edge is included and attempts to update at every boot.

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]]> <![CDATA[Community ISOs :: Windows 11 Retrograde :: Reply by enmanuel]]> 2026-04-11T00:15:37+00:00 2026-04-11T00:15:37+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=965&p=8734#p8734
One important thing i must ask: Does it have support for Windows Update and Windows Defender? It's basically what i look for in a custom Windows 11 ISO.]]>
One important thing i must ask: Does it have support for Windows Update and Windows Defender? It's basically what i look for in a custom Windows 11 ISO.]]> <![CDATA[Community ISOs :: Windows 11 Retrograde :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-11T04:55:31+00:00 2026-04-11T04:55:31+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=965&p=8735#p8735
But... GOOD LUCK WITH THAT !!! Those are the first things I want ***REMOVED*** in a custom 11 (or even 10) !!! !!! !!!]]>
But... GOOD LUCK WITH THAT !!! Those are the first things I want ***REMOVED*** in a custom 11 (or even 10) !!! !!! !!!]]> <![CDATA[Community ISOs :: Windows 11 Retrograde :: Reply by demaxxander04]]> 2026-04-11T10:33:01+00:00 2026-04-11T10:33:01+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=965&p=8736#p8736
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑10 Apr 2026, 14:19
demaxxander04 wrote: ↑10 Apr 2026, 12:01 albeit without bloatware like Copilot, Edge or others.
I haven't allowed it internet access, but it looks like Edge is included and attempts to update at every boot.


2026-04-10_10-00-47.jpg

2026-04-10_10-16-49.jpg
I don't think it will ever install or run Edge even if the update service still exists and I think that's normal, I used this script to remove it: https://gist.github.com/ave9858/c3451d9f452389ac7607c99d45edecc6

I used it for so long and still didn't got Edge!]]>
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑10 Apr 2026, 14:19
demaxxander04 wrote: ↑10 Apr 2026, 12:01 albeit without bloatware like Copilot, Edge or others.
I haven't allowed it internet access, but it looks like Edge is included and attempts to update at every boot.


2026-04-10_10-00-47.jpg

2026-04-10_10-16-49.jpg
I don't think it will ever install or run Edge even if the update service still exists and I think that's normal, I used this script to remove it: https://gist.github.com/ave9858/c3451d9f452389ac7607c99d45edecc6

I used it for so long and still didn't got Edge!]]> <![CDATA[Community ISOs :: Windows 11 Retrograde :: Reply by demaxxander04]]> 2026-04-11T10:33:21+00:00 2026-04-11T10:33:21+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=965&p=8737#p8737
enmanuel wrote: ↑11 Apr 2026, 00:15 Interesting mod, i quite like the themes.

One important thing i must ask: Does it have support for Windows Update and Windows Defender? It's basically what i look for in a custom Windows 11 ISO.
Yes it does have support]]>
enmanuel wrote: ↑11 Apr 2026, 00:15 Interesting mod, i quite like the themes.

One important thing i must ask: Does it have support for Windows Update and Windows Defender? It's basically what i look for in a custom Windows 11 ISO.
Yes it does have support]]> <![CDATA[Community ISOs :: Windows 11 Retrograde :: Reply by demaxxander04]]> 2026-04-11T10:38:20+00:00 2026-04-11T10:38:20+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=965&p=8738#p8738
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑11 Apr 2026, 04:55 Yes it does.

But... GOOD LUCK WITH THAT !!! Those are the first things I want ***REMOVED*** in a custom 11 (or even 10) !!! !!! !!!
If you want Windows Update disabled, you can actually use this script (C:\Windows\windows-update-disabler-main) pre-included in this mod, even says in the readme documents!
For Defender, you can download Defender Control to disable it but you have to turn off Real Time Protection before using it!

I recommend doing system restore backup before doing anything!]]>
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑11 Apr 2026, 04:55 Yes it does.

But... GOOD LUCK WITH THAT !!! Those are the first things I want ***REMOVED*** in a custom 11 (or even 10) !!! !!! !!!
If you want Windows Update disabled, you can actually use this script (C:\Windows\windows-update-disabler-main) pre-included in this mod, even says in the readme documents!
For Defender, you can download Defender Control to disable it but you have to turn off Real Time Protection before using it!

I recommend doing system restore backup before doing anything!]]> <![CDATA[Community ISOs :: Windows 11 Retrograde :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-11T10:48:46+00:00 2026-04-11T10:48:46+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=965&p=8739#p8739
demaxxander04 wrote: ↑11 Apr 2026, 10:33 I don't think it will ever install or run Edge even if the update service still exists and I think that's normal, I used this script to remove it: https://gist.github.com/ave9858/c3451d9f452389ac7607c99d45edecc6

I used it for so long and still didn't got Edge!
I for one don't like the word "think", but I can look past that (for now).

Also, I would prefer an ENTIRE LIST of scripts that were used, no matter how big or small that ENTIRE LIST is.

Also, what the H#LL is "everything.exe", "flow.launcher", etc. Seems this build has a TON of stuff ADDED.
TRUST is gained by providing that LIST upfront also!
I can *NOT* "trust" a build like this, no way, no how! But a LIST of what was ADDED would go a *VERY LONG WAY* towards 'gaining that trust'.

ie, I already have scripts that remove EDGE. And I don't have any Edge Updater running in the background! Nor that gigantic folder wasting space.
And I'm one of those old-schooler's still using QUICKEN for my checking account!
IT REQUIRES WEBVIEW RUNTIME, so no, that Edge Updater is not needed.


ps - sure, a great project!
BUT... folks that share things like this have to have the "skin" to be able to listen to both "positive" *AND* "negative" feedback...
I'm just saying that from what I have seen, I CAN NOT "TRUST" THIS BUILD.
And that is BEFORE allowing it internet access and logging any "activity" that this build does that a "normal" 11 does not do!
Or, preferrably, logging any "activity" that this build does NOT do that a "normal" 11 DOES do!]]>
demaxxander04 wrote: ↑11 Apr 2026, 10:33 I don't think it will ever install or run Edge even if the update service still exists and I think that's normal, I used this script to remove it: https://gist.github.com/ave9858/c3451d9f452389ac7607c99d45edecc6

I used it for so long and still didn't got Edge!
I for one don't like the word "think", but I can look past that (for now).

Also, I would prefer an ENTIRE LIST of scripts that were used, no matter how big or small that ENTIRE LIST is.

Also, what the H#LL is "everything.exe", "flow.launcher", etc. Seems this build has a TON of stuff ADDED.
TRUST is gained by providing that LIST upfront also!
I can *NOT* "trust" a build like this, no way, no how! But a LIST of what was ADDED would go a *VERY LONG WAY* towards 'gaining that trust'.

ie, I already have scripts that remove EDGE. And I don't have any Edge Updater running in the background! Nor that gigantic folder wasting space.
And I'm one of those old-schooler's still using QUICKEN for my checking account!
IT REQUIRES WEBVIEW RUNTIME, so no, that Edge Updater is not needed.


ps - sure, a great project!
BUT... folks that share things like this have to have the "skin" to be able to listen to both "positive" *AND* "negative" feedback...
I'm just saying that from what I have seen, I CAN NOT "TRUST" THIS BUILD.
And that is BEFORE allowing it internet access and logging any "activity" that this build does that a "normal" 11 does not do!
Or, preferrably, logging any "activity" that this build does NOT do that a "normal" 11 DOES do!]]> <![CDATA[Community ISOs :: Windows 11 Retrograde :: Reply by demaxxander04]]> 2026-04-11T11:11:56+00:00 2026-04-11T11:11:56+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=965&p=8740#p8740
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑11 Apr 2026, 10:48
demaxxander04 wrote: ↑11 Apr 2026, 10:33 I don't think it will ever install or run Edge even if the update service still exists and I think that's normal, I used this script to remove it: https://gist.github.com/ave9858/c3451d9f452389ac7607c99d45edecc6

I used it for so long and still didn't got Edge!
I for one don't like the word "think", but I can look past that (for now).

Also, I would prefer an ENTIRE LIST of scripts that were used, no matter how big or small that ENTIRE LIST is.

Also, what the H#LL is "everything.exe", "flow.launcher", etc. Seems this build has a TON of stuff ADDED.
TRUST is gained by providing that LIST upfront also!
I can *NOT* "trust" a build like this, no way, no how! But a LIST of what was ADDED would go a *VERY LONG WAY* towards 'gaining that trust'.

ie, I already have scripts that remove EDGE. And I don't have any Edge Updater running in the background! Nor that gigantic folder wasting space.
And I'm one of those old-schooler's still using QUICKEN for my checking account!
IT REQUIRES WEBVIEW RUNTIME, so no, that Edge Updater is not needed.


ps - sure, a great project!
BUT... folks that share things like this have to have the "skin" to be able to listen to both "positive" *AND* "negative" feedback...
I'm just saying that from what I have seen, I CAN NOT "TRUST" THIS BUILD.
And that is BEFORE allowing it internet access and logging any "activity" that this build does that a "normal" 11 does not do!
Or, preferrably, logging any "activity" that this build does NOT do that a "normal" 11 DOES do!
everything.exe is for the Everything App and I also included Flow Launcher which it comes with Everything index plugin, if you open Search in start menu, it will redirect to Flow Launcher search!

Everything index does better job at searching files compared to Windows, this is why I included both of these and there's nothing suspicious about them!

as for the scripts:

Edge: https://gist.github.com/ave9858/c3451d9f452389ac7607c99d45edecc6
WIndows Update: https://github.com/tsgrgo/windows-update-disabler

that's what I used for now.. I don't remember what else I used, if I do, I will let you know!

and like I told you, it does not install or re-enable Edge itself! If it was doing, then I might work on that, no problem!]]>
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑11 Apr 2026, 10:48
demaxxander04 wrote: ↑11 Apr 2026, 10:33 I don't think it will ever install or run Edge even if the update service still exists and I think that's normal, I used this script to remove it: https://gist.github.com/ave9858/c3451d9f452389ac7607c99d45edecc6

I used it for so long and still didn't got Edge!
I for one don't like the word "think", but I can look past that (for now).

Also, I would prefer an ENTIRE LIST of scripts that were used, no matter how big or small that ENTIRE LIST is.

Also, what the H#LL is "everything.exe", "flow.launcher", etc. Seems this build has a TON of stuff ADDED.
TRUST is gained by providing that LIST upfront also!
I can *NOT* "trust" a build like this, no way, no how! But a LIST of what was ADDED would go a *VERY LONG WAY* towards 'gaining that trust'.

ie, I already have scripts that remove EDGE. And I don't have any Edge Updater running in the background! Nor that gigantic folder wasting space.
And I'm one of those old-schooler's still using QUICKEN for my checking account!
IT REQUIRES WEBVIEW RUNTIME, so no, that Edge Updater is not needed.


ps - sure, a great project!
BUT... folks that share things like this have to have the "skin" to be able to listen to both "positive" *AND* "negative" feedback...
I'm just saying that from what I have seen, I CAN NOT "TRUST" THIS BUILD.
And that is BEFORE allowing it internet access and logging any "activity" that this build does that a "normal" 11 does not do!
Or, preferrably, logging any "activity" that this build does NOT do that a "normal" 11 DOES do!
everything.exe is for the Everything App and I also included Flow Launcher which it comes with Everything index plugin, if you open Search in start menu, it will redirect to Flow Launcher search!

Everything index does better job at searching files compared to Windows, this is why I included both of these and there's nothing suspicious about them!

as for the scripts:

Edge: https://gist.github.com/ave9858/c3451d9f452389ac7607c99d45edecc6
WIndows Update: https://github.com/tsgrgo/windows-update-disabler

that's what I used for now.. I don't remember what else I used, if I do, I will let you know!

and like I told you, it does not install or re-enable Edge itself! If it was doing, then I might work on that, no problem!]]> <![CDATA[Community ISOs :: Windows 11 Retrograde :: Reply by demaxxander04]]> 2026-04-11T11:23:04+00:00 2026-04-11T11:23:04+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=965&p=8741#p8741
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑11 Apr 2026, 10:48
demaxxander04 wrote: ↑11 Apr 2026, 10:33 I don't think it will ever install or run Edge even if the update service still exists and I think that's normal, I used this script to remove it: https://gist.github.com/ave9858/c3451d9f452389ac7607c99d45edecc6

I used it for so long and still didn't got Edge!
I for one don't like the word "think", but I can look past that (for now).

Also, I would prefer an ENTIRE LIST of scripts that were used, no matter how big or small that ENTIRE LIST is.

Also, what the H#LL is "everything.exe", "flow.launcher", etc. Seems this build has a TON of stuff ADDED.
TRUST is gained by providing that LIST upfront also!
I can *NOT* "trust" a build like this, no way, no how! But a LIST of what was ADDED would go a *VERY LONG WAY* towards 'gaining that trust'.

ie, I already have scripts that remove EDGE. And I don't have any Edge Updater running in the background! Nor that gigantic folder wasting space.
And I'm one of those old-schooler's still using QUICKEN for my checking account!
IT REQUIRES WEBVIEW RUNTIME, so no, that Edge Updater is not needed.


ps - sure, a great project!
BUT... folks that share things like this have to have the "skin" to be able to listen to both "positive" *AND* "negative" feedback...
I'm just saying that from what I have seen, I CAN NOT "TRUST" THIS BUILD.
And that is BEFORE allowing it internet access and logging any "activity" that this build does that a "normal" 11 does not do!
Or, preferrably, logging any "activity" that this build does NOT do that a "normal" 11 DOES do!
"The Microsoft Edge Update service might remain, this is normal as it is required for updating WebView2."]]>
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑11 Apr 2026, 10:48
demaxxander04 wrote: ↑11 Apr 2026, 10:33 I don't think it will ever install or run Edge even if the update service still exists and I think that's normal, I used this script to remove it: https://gist.github.com/ave9858/c3451d9f452389ac7607c99d45edecc6

I used it for so long and still didn't got Edge!
I for one don't like the word "think", but I can look past that (for now).

Also, I would prefer an ENTIRE LIST of scripts that were used, no matter how big or small that ENTIRE LIST is.

Also, what the H#LL is "everything.exe", "flow.launcher", etc. Seems this build has a TON of stuff ADDED.
TRUST is gained by providing that LIST upfront also!
I can *NOT* "trust" a build like this, no way, no how! But a LIST of what was ADDED would go a *VERY LONG WAY* towards 'gaining that trust'.

ie, I already have scripts that remove EDGE. And I don't have any Edge Updater running in the background! Nor that gigantic folder wasting space.
And I'm one of those old-schooler's still using QUICKEN for my checking account!
IT REQUIRES WEBVIEW RUNTIME, so no, that Edge Updater is not needed.


ps - sure, a great project!
BUT... folks that share things like this have to have the "skin" to be able to listen to both "positive" *AND* "negative" feedback...
I'm just saying that from what I have seen, I CAN NOT "TRUST" THIS BUILD.
And that is BEFORE allowing it internet access and logging any "activity" that this build does that a "normal" 11 does not do!
Or, preferrably, logging any "activity" that this build does NOT do that a "normal" 11 DOES do!
"The Microsoft Edge Update service might remain, this is normal as it is required for updating WebView2."]]> <![CDATA[Community ISOs :: Windows 11 Retrograde :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-11T12:06:07+00:00 2026-04-11T12:06:07+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=965&p=8743#p8743
demaxxander04 wrote: ↑11 Apr 2026, 11:11 Everything index does better job at searching files compared to Windows, this is why I included both of these and there's nothing suspicious about them!
"To each their own", as the saying goes.

We have OPPOSITE VIEWS on "searching files".
I disable/remove Windows' own "indexers" and I have NO USE in REPLACING it with something else.

Again, "to each their own".]]>
demaxxander04 wrote: ↑11 Apr 2026, 11:11 Everything index does better job at searching files compared to Windows, this is why I included both of these and there's nothing suspicious about them!
"To each their own", as the saying goes.

We have OPPOSITE VIEWS on "searching files".
I disable/remove Windows' own "indexers" and I have NO USE in REPLACING it with something else.

Again, "to each their own".]]> <![CDATA[Community ISOs :: Windows 11 Retrograde :: Reply by wuggy]]> 2026-04-11T18:56:26+00:00 2026-04-11T18:56:26+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=965&p=8750#p8750 <![CDATA[Community ISOs :: Windows 11 Retrograde :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-11T19:17:52+00:00 2026-04-11T19:17:52+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=965&p=8751#p8751
OwnedByWuigi wrote: ↑11 Apr 2026, 18:56 You should replace Nocturne with r3dfox.
I prefer Nocturne (if I had to choose between just the two).
Admittedly, I wouldn't have even TRIED IT had it not been mentioned.
It should also be noted, per its repository, it's not a Firefox fork but rather it is a r3dfox fork (ie, "improved upon").

But everyone is going to have their own PERSONAL PREFERENCE.]]>
OwnedByWuigi wrote: ↑11 Apr 2026, 18:56 You should replace Nocturne with r3dfox.
I prefer Nocturne (if I had to choose between just the two).
Admittedly, I wouldn't have even TRIED IT had it not been mentioned.
It should also be noted, per its repository, it's not a Firefox fork but rather it is a r3dfox fork (ie, "improved upon").

But everyone is going to have their own PERSONAL PREFERENCE.]]> <![CDATA[Community ISOs :: Windows 11 Retrograde :: Reply by wuggy]]> 2026-04-12T05:25:07+00:00 2026-04-12T05:25:07+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=965&p=8753#p8753 <![CDATA[Community ISOs :: Windows 11 Retrograde :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-12T11:33:32+00:00 2026-04-12T11:33:32+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=965&p=8754#p8754
OwnedByWuigi wrote: ↑12 Apr 2026, 05:25 Improved upon what? Only difference I can see between the two browsers are the branding.
I'll have to take your word for it.
To me, Nocturne just *FEELS* more like a *STANDARDIZED* interface.
To me, r3dfox is HEAVILY THEMED for the DARK MODE USER (of which *I AM NOT*) [to each their own!].
Yeah, I can revert the STUPID dark-sh#t to FOLLOW MY OS SETTINGS, but the trapezoid tabs and title bar color just don't look STANDARD to me.

To me, it technically doesn't really matter.
Neither is my default browser, just something sitting in the background of VMs only and as a HOBBY BROWSER, never as something I use daily.
"To each their own."]]>
OwnedByWuigi wrote: ↑12 Apr 2026, 05:25 Improved upon what? Only difference I can see between the two browsers are the branding.
I'll have to take your word for it.
To me, Nocturne just *FEELS* more like a *STANDARDIZED* interface.
To me, r3dfox is HEAVILY THEMED for the DARK MODE USER (of which *I AM NOT*) [to each their own!].
Yeah, I can revert the STUPID dark-sh#t to FOLLOW MY OS SETTINGS, but the trapezoid tabs and title bar color just don't look STANDARD to me.

To me, it technically doesn't really matter.
Neither is my default browser, just something sitting in the background of VMs only and as a HOBBY BROWSER, never as something I use daily.
"To each their own."]]> <![CDATA[Community ISOs :: Windows 11 Retrograde :: Reply by wuggy]]> 2026-04-12T14:41:41+00:00 2026-04-12T14:41:41+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=965&p=8756#p8756 <![CDATA[Community ISOs :: Windows 11 Retrograde :: Reply by ThatRandomToast]]> 2026-04-12T14:46:02+00:00 2026-04-12T14:46:02+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=965&p=8757#p8757
OwnedByWuigi wrote: ↑12 Apr 2026, 14:41 Also you're using Imgur to host your images, I can't see them unless I am using a VPN. Please fix if you can
Does ImgBB work in the UK (at least for now)?]]>
OwnedByWuigi wrote: ↑12 Apr 2026, 14:41 Also you're using Imgur to host your images, I can't see them unless I am using a VPN. Please fix if you can
Does ImgBB work in the UK (at least for now)?]]> <![CDATA[Community ISOs :: Windows 11 Retrograde :: Reply by wuggy]]> 2026-04-12T14:46:36+00:00 2026-04-12T14:46:36+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=965&p=8758#p8758
ThatRandomToast wrote: ↑12 Apr 2026, 14:46 Does ImgBB work in the UK (at least for now)?
Yeah that works from what I can tell]]>
ThatRandomToast wrote: ↑12 Apr 2026, 14:46 Does ImgBB work in the UK (at least for now)?
Yeah that works from what I can tell]]> <![CDATA[Community ISOs :: Windows 11 Retrograde :: Reply by Duke]]> 2026-04-12T18:53:29+00:00 2026-04-12T18:53:29+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=965&p=8761#p8761
Click on the "Full Editor & Preview" button:

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Then Attachments → Add files → Place inline

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Click on the "Full Editor & Preview" button:

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ThatRandomToast wrote: ↑12 Apr 2026, 14:46
OwnedByWuigi wrote: ↑12 Apr 2026, 14:41 Also you're using Imgur to host your images, I can't see them unless I am using a VPN. Please fix if you can
Does ImgBB work in the UK (at least for now)?
Imgur was taken down in the UK not because of 'inappropriate content' but because of some other reason, if I remember rightly.

Something to do with data retention issues if I'm not mistaken, there was already a pending case against them from before the age-verification stuff got rolled out.

They didn't want to comply, so off they went.
(Funny how whenever it's the EU doing the exact same fucking shit it's a completely different ballpark and the reaction becomes far less mocking from individuals...)]]>
ThatRandomToast wrote: ↑12 Apr 2026, 14:46
OwnedByWuigi wrote: ↑12 Apr 2026, 14:41 Also you're using Imgur to host your images, I can't see them unless I am using a VPN. Please fix if you can
Does ImgBB work in the UK (at least for now)?
Imgur was taken down in the UK not because of 'inappropriate content' but because of some other reason, if I remember rightly.

Something to do with data retention issues if I'm not mistaken, there was already a pending case against them from before the age-verification stuff got rolled out.

They didn't want to comply, so off they went.
(Funny how whenever it's the EU doing the exact same fucking shit it's a completely different ballpark and the reaction becomes far less mocking from individuals...)]]> <![CDATA[Community ISOs :: Windows 11 Retrograde :: Reply by enmanuel]]> 2026-04-17T01:06:03+00:00 2026-04-17T18:20:26+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=965&p=8816#p8816
Iffy-chan wrote: ↑16 Apr 2026, 23:46 (Funny how whenever it's the EU doing the exact same fucking shit it's a completely different ballpark and the reaction becomes far less mocking from individuals...)
The UK has just 4 countries with a total population of 60 million people, while the EU has 27 countries with a total population of over 200 450 million people. It's riskier to not comply with the EU than the UK.]]>
Iffy-chan wrote: ↑16 Apr 2026, 23:46 (Funny how whenever it's the EU doing the exact same fucking shit it's a completely different ballpark and the reaction becomes far less mocking from individuals...)
The UK has just 4 countries with a total population of 60 million people, while the EU has 27 countries with a total population of over 200 450 million people. It's riskier to not comply with the EU than the UK.]]> <![CDATA[Community ISOs :: Windows 11 Retrograde :: Reply by Duke]]> 2026-04-17T02:34:37+00:00 2026-04-17T02:34:37+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=965&p=8817#p8817
enmanuel wrote: ↑17 Apr 2026, 01:06 the EU has 27 countries with a total population of over 200 million people.
More like about 450 million people:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_European_Union]]>
enmanuel wrote: ↑17 Apr 2026, 01:06 the EU has 27 countries with a total population of over 200 million people.
More like about 450 million people:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_European_Union]]> <![CDATA[Community ISOs :: Windows 11 Retrograde :: Reply by enmanuel]]> 2026-04-17T18:19:40+00:00 2026-04-17T18:19:40+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=965&p=8829#p8829
Duke wrote: ↑17 Apr 2026, 02:34 More like about 450 million people:
Oh right, I looked at a wikipedia page that didn't list the total population.]]>
Duke wrote: ↑17 Apr 2026, 02:34 More like about 450 million people:
Oh right, I looked at a wikipedia page that didn't list the total population.]]> <![CDATA[Community ISOs :: Windows 11 Retrograde :: Reply by ThatRandomToast]]> 2026-04-28T08:13:28+00:00 2026-04-28T08:13:28+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=965&p=8947#p8947 <![CDATA[Community ISOs :: [MOD] Windows Code Name Obsidian (Windows 7 to Strange Windows Beta) :: Reply by ThatRandomToast]]> 2026-04-29T15:52:06+00:00 2026-04-29T15:52:06+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=936&p=8958#p8958 <![CDATA[Community Projects :: Dactyloidae Browser (yet another UXP, what a surprise) :: Reply by wuggy]]> 2026-04-13T19:04:59+00:00 2026-04-13T19:04:59+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=956&p=8763#p8763 <![CDATA[Community Projects :: Dactyloidae Browser (yet another UXP, what a surprise) :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-13T19:17:54+00:00 2026-04-13T19:17:54+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=956&p=8764#p8764
OwnedByWuigi wrote: ↑13 Apr 2026, 19:04 Aside from performance-wise issues (I will fix that in 13.2 trust), what else would you like to see in Dactyloidae 13.2?
Is Widevine L1 support possible?]]>
OwnedByWuigi wrote: ↑13 Apr 2026, 19:04 Aside from performance-wise issues (I will fix that in 13.2 trust), what else would you like to see in Dactyloidae 13.2?
Is Widevine L1 support possible?]]> <![CDATA[Community Projects :: Dactyloidae Browser (yet another UXP, what a surprise) :: Reply by wuggy]]> 2026-04-13T22:54:18+00:00 2026-04-13T22:54:18+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=956&p=8765#p8765
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑13 Apr 2026, 19:17
OwnedByWuigi wrote: ↑13 Apr 2026, 19:04 Aside from performance-wise issues (I will fix that in 13.2 trust), what else would you like to see in Dactyloidae 13.2?
Is Widevine L1 support possible?
That'll be expensive as fuck, I wish I could add Winevine support fr]]>
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑13 Apr 2026, 19:17
OwnedByWuigi wrote: ↑13 Apr 2026, 19:04 Aside from performance-wise issues (I will fix that in 13.2 trust), what else would you like to see in Dactyloidae 13.2?
Is Widevine L1 support possible?
That'll be expensive as fuck, I wish I could add Winevine support fr]]> <![CDATA[Community Projects :: Dactyloidae Browser (yet another UXP, what a surprise) :: Reply by Iffy-chan]]> 2026-04-14T05:34:57+00:00 2026-04-14T05:34:57+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=956&p=8766#p8766 AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ with 4GB RAM/1TB HGST SSD on nForce 630a

My benchmark scores are awful especially compared to what I saw above... Tested with a default profile. Chrome 49 scored more than twice as well, which is from over a decade ago at this point. The actual processor is from December 2006, so pretty much time-relevant to XP itself, I suppose.

I'll be honest, even the latest Firefox versions are not great to use on modern OSes, purely because SpiderMonkey is just not suited for the modern web's 'run everything as a JavaScript app and reimplement everything in it' philosophy (and for other reasons, like the fact Firefox is Chrome for people who think they're fighting The System, but it's actually funded by The System). (Interestingly, the author of that particular page I linked uses Pale Moon on Slackware, which amuses me considering Moonchild is actively hostile to Slackware users...)

For older, pre-2015 websites that didn't decide to jump on this bandwagon (yet), I guess I can see this being useful, but then again, literally any browser would do for those sites as long as it supports the relevant certificates. Not to mention that the amount of UXP forks is beginning to make the whole Pale Moon scenario look like this... actually, isn't that just the Windows Legacy communities in general?

The Edge-mimic theme is actually quite nice and really close to how I remember the original MS Edge looking, which IMO was a pretty underappreciated browser back then, however, though the menu bar being enabled by default on XP is probably not a good idea (and it shouldn't overlap the top bar like that, either).

Also, I'm really struggling to pronounce the name consistently. Maybe it's just me.

Don't let any of this put you off, however. It's not my fault web developers have an intellect that would make Nep look like a genius.

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My benchmark scores are awful especially compared to what I saw above... Tested with a default profile. Chrome 49 scored more than twice as well, which is from over a decade ago at this point. The actual processor is from December 2006, so pretty much time-relevant to XP itself, I suppose.

I'll be honest, even the latest Firefox versions are not great to use on modern OSes, purely because SpiderMonkey is just not suited for the modern web's 'run everything as a JavaScript app and reimplement everything in it' philosophy (and for other reasons, like the fact Firefox is Chrome for people who think they're fighting The System, but it's actually funded by The System). (Interestingly, the author of that particular page I linked uses Pale Moon on Slackware, which amuses me considering Moonchild is actively hostile to Slackware users...)

For older, pre-2015 websites that didn't decide to jump on this bandwagon (yet), I guess I can see this being useful, but then again, literally any browser would do for those sites as long as it supports the relevant certificates. Not to mention that the amount of UXP forks is beginning to make the whole Pale Moon scenario look like this... actually, isn't that just the Windows Legacy communities in general?

The Edge-mimic theme is actually quite nice and really close to how I remember the original MS Edge looking, which IMO was a pretty underappreciated browser back then, however, though the menu bar being enabled by default on XP is probably not a good idea (and it shouldn't overlap the top bar like that, either).

Also, I'm really struggling to pronounce the name consistently. Maybe it's just me.

Don't let any of this put you off, however. It's not my fault web developers have an intellect that would make Nep look like a genius.

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Iffy-chan wrote: ↑14 Apr 2026, 05:34 Windows XP x64 SP2
AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ with 4GB RAM/1TB HGST SSD on nForce 630a

My benchmark scores are awful especially compared to what I saw above... Tested with a default profile. Chrome 49 scored more than twice as well, which is from over a decade ago at this point. The actual processor is from December 2006, so pretty much time-relevant to XP itself, I suppose.

I'll be honest, even the latest Firefox versions are not great to use on modern OSes, purely because SpiderMonkey is just not suited for the modern web's 'run everything as a JavaScript app and reimplement everything in it' philosophy (and for other reasons, like the fact Firefox is Chrome for people who think they're fighting The System, but it's actually funded by The System). (Interestingly, the author of that particular page I linked uses Pale Moon on Slackware, which amuses me considering Moonchild is actively hostile to Slackware users...)

For older, pre-2015 websites that didn't decide to jump on this bandwagon (yet), I guess I can see this being useful, but then again, literally any browser would do for those sites as long as it supports the relevant certificates. Not to mention that the amount of UXP forks is beginning to make the whole Pale Moon scenario look like this... actually, isn't that just the Windows Legacy communities in general?

The Edge-mimic theme is actually quite nice and really close to how I remember the original MS Edge looking, which IMO was a pretty underappreciated browser back then, however, though the menu bar being enabled by default on XP is probably not a good idea (and it shouldn't overlap the top bar like that, either).

Also, I'm really struggling to pronounce the name consistently. Maybe it's just me.

Don't let any of this put you off, however. It's not my fault web developers have an intellect that would make Nep look like a genius.
I will fix all these issues (except for the name considering I already bought the damn domain lol). The menu-bar being enabled by default on XP was probably a leftover from when I forked Eclipse Hydra (which itself is a fork of Serpent, which ITSELF is a fork of Basilisk).

I want to attempt to try and get the JS engine and other noticable nit-picks of UXP optimised, and I've already did the first half of that with adding e10s for realsies (I think I am the only UXP browser to have such enabled by default)]]>
Iffy-chan wrote: ↑14 Apr 2026, 05:34 Windows XP x64 SP2
AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ with 4GB RAM/1TB HGST SSD on nForce 630a

My benchmark scores are awful especially compared to what I saw above... Tested with a default profile. Chrome 49 scored more than twice as well, which is from over a decade ago at this point. The actual processor is from December 2006, so pretty much time-relevant to XP itself, I suppose.

I'll be honest, even the latest Firefox versions are not great to use on modern OSes, purely because SpiderMonkey is just not suited for the modern web's 'run everything as a JavaScript app and reimplement everything in it' philosophy (and for other reasons, like the fact Firefox is Chrome for people who think they're fighting The System, but it's actually funded by The System). (Interestingly, the author of that particular page I linked uses Pale Moon on Slackware, which amuses me considering Moonchild is actively hostile to Slackware users...)

For older, pre-2015 websites that didn't decide to jump on this bandwagon (yet), I guess I can see this being useful, but then again, literally any browser would do for those sites as long as it supports the relevant certificates. Not to mention that the amount of UXP forks is beginning to make the whole Pale Moon scenario look like this... actually, isn't that just the Windows Legacy communities in general?

The Edge-mimic theme is actually quite nice and really close to how I remember the original MS Edge looking, which IMO was a pretty underappreciated browser back then, however, though the menu bar being enabled by default on XP is probably not a good idea (and it shouldn't overlap the top bar like that, either).

Also, I'm really struggling to pronounce the name consistently. Maybe it's just me.

Don't let any of this put you off, however. It's not my fault web developers have an intellect that would make Nep look like a genius.
I will fix all these issues (except for the name considering I already bought the damn domain lol). The menu-bar being enabled by default on XP was probably a leftover from when I forked Eclipse Hydra (which itself is a fork of Serpent, which ITSELF is a fork of Basilisk).

I want to attempt to try and get the JS engine and other noticable nit-picks of UXP optimised, and I've already did the first half of that with adding e10s for realsies (I think I am the only UXP browser to have such enabled by default)]]> <![CDATA[Community Projects :: Dactyloidae Browser (yet another UXP, what a surprise) :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-14T10:37:04+00:00 2026-04-14T10:37:04+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=956&p=8769#p8769
It is the ONLY (and I do mean ***OONNLLYY***) 'fox-based I've ever seen without all of the DAMN BACKGROUND CONNECTION B&LLSH#T.

Any way to bring in that LACK OF BACKGROUND CONNECTION B&LLSH#T to Dact-Ae ???

Also, I really really REALLY HATE that uBO is "included by default" !!!

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It is the ONLY (and I do mean ***OONNLLYY***) 'fox-based I've ever seen without all of the DAMN BACKGROUND CONNECTION B&LLSH#T.

Any way to bring in that LACK OF BACKGROUND CONNECTION B&LLSH#T to Dact-Ae ???

Also, I really really REALLY HATE that uBO is "included by default" !!!

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OwnedByWuigi wrote: ↑14 Apr 2026, 07:48
It seems to be a bug in almost every Firefox-based browser for many, many years. It's even worse in Vista/7 where the text is usually unreadable, the only one who ever fixed this issue was K4sum1 and even he had to basically brute force the fix through his custom theming engine...

Good luck, you're looking at a 10+ year old codebase that was already insanely outdated and falling over a year behind Chrome at the time it was relevant. This is in part due to Mozilla forcing the rapid release schedule and a business-like attitude on a codebase that was never intended to be developed in that way, which broke add-on development. (Who can guess why, it's related to the link I posted earlier.)
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑14 Apr 2026, 10:37
LibreWolf?

On a note, read this page. OCSP queries and captive portals aren't blocked by IceCat, though a few other things are.]]>
OwnedByWuigi wrote: ↑14 Apr 2026, 07:48
It seems to be a bug in almost every Firefox-based browser for many, many years. It's even worse in Vista/7 where the text is usually unreadable, the only one who ever fixed this issue was K4sum1 and even he had to basically brute force the fix through his custom theming engine...

Good luck, you're looking at a 10+ year old codebase that was already insanely outdated and falling over a year behind Chrome at the time it was relevant. This is in part due to Mozilla forcing the rapid release schedule and a business-like attitude on a codebase that was never intended to be developed in that way, which broke add-on development. (Who can guess why, it's related to the link I posted earlier.)
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑14 Apr 2026, 10:37
LibreWolf?

On a note, read this page. OCSP queries and captive portals aren't blocked by IceCat, though a few other things are.]]> <![CDATA[Community Projects :: Dactyloidae Browser (yet another UXP, what a surprise) :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-14T11:54:18+00:00 2026-04-14T11:54:18+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=956&p=8771#p8771
Iffy-chan wrote: ↑14 Apr 2026, 11:45 LibreWolf?
H#LL NO !!!

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Iffy-chan wrote: ↑14 Apr 2026, 11:45 LibreWolf?
H#LL NO !!!

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That screenshot is disappointing, though reading the digdeeper page a little more thoroughly this time, somehow not surprising. There doesn't really seem to be an option outside grabbing a custom user.js file.]]>
That screenshot is disappointing, though reading the digdeeper page a little more thoroughly this time, somehow not surprising. There doesn't really seem to be an option outside grabbing a custom user.js file.]]> <![CDATA[Community Projects :: Dactyloidae Browser (yet another UXP, what a surprise) :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-14T12:23:03+00:00 2026-04-14T12:23:03+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=956&p=8773#p8773 LibreWolf (to me!) has always been somewhat of a MISGUIDED FALSE SENSE OF SECURITY to those that "believe their HYPE".
No browser is perfect. NONE!

Don't misread, I'm not one of those overly-paranoid folks.
But come on, 20+ connections each and every time you open your browser?
Icecat has ZERO. Ungoogled Chromium has ZERO. But I can't Netflix in either of them!

I used to publicly tweak/modify a browser called 360Chrome and it too had ZERO (I actually still use it, but only for email and SMS).
But don't ever use the untweaked/unmodified !!! I never allowed it any internet connection !!!
But I also didn't "need to" be able to run Netflix back in the day and age I used 360Chrome.
Did it work with Netflix? Don't know, to be honest. I was also on XP at that time and my life has changed since. :mrgreen:]]> LibreWolf (to me!) has always been somewhat of a MISGUIDED FALSE SENSE OF SECURITY to those that "believe their HYPE".
No browser is perfect. NONE!

Don't misread, I'm not one of those overly-paranoid folks.
But come on, 20+ connections each and every time you open your browser?
Icecat has ZERO. Ungoogled Chromium has ZERO. But I can't Netflix in either of them!

I used to publicly tweak/modify a browser called 360Chrome and it too had ZERO (I actually still use it, but only for email and SMS).
But don't ever use the untweaked/unmodified !!! I never allowed it any internet connection !!!
But I also didn't "need to" be able to run Netflix back in the day and age I used 360Chrome.
Did it work with Netflix? Don't know, to be honest. I was also on XP at that time and my life has changed since. :mrgreen:]]> <![CDATA[Community Projects :: Dactyloidae Browser (yet another UXP, what a surprise) :: Reply by wuggy]]> 2026-04-14T15:58:29+00:00 2026-04-14T15:58:29+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=956&p=8774#p8774
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑14 Apr 2026, 10:37 I feel that ICECAT was the BEST 'fox-based browser out there. BY FAR !!!

It is the ONLY (and I do mean ***OONNLLYY***) 'fox-based I've ever seen without all of the DAMN BACKGROUND CONNECTION B&LLSH#T.

Any way to bring in that LACK OF BACKGROUND CONNECTION B&LLSH#T to Dact-Ae ???
I’ll see what IceCat does to stop background connection and add it as a preference in Dactyloidae. I feel like it’ll break some stuff though with extensions such as SponsorBlock which genuinely needs background connections.]]>
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑14 Apr 2026, 10:37 I feel that ICECAT was the BEST 'fox-based browser out there. BY FAR !!!

It is the ONLY (and I do mean ***OONNLLYY***) 'fox-based I've ever seen without all of the DAMN BACKGROUND CONNECTION B&LLSH#T.

Any way to bring in that LACK OF BACKGROUND CONNECTION B&LLSH#T to Dact-Ae ???
I’ll see what IceCat does to stop background connection and add it as a preference in Dactyloidae. I feel like it’ll break some stuff though with extensions such as SponsorBlock which genuinely needs background connections.]]> <![CDATA[Community Projects :: Dactyloidae Browser (yet another UXP, what a surprise) :: Reply by wuggy]]> 2026-04-14T23:54:34+00:00 2026-04-14T23:54:34+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=956&p=8776#p8776 <![CDATA[Community Projects :: Dactyloidae Browser (yet another UXP, what a surprise) :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-15T01:24:45+00:00 2026-04-15T01:24:45+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=956&p=8777#p8777
wuggy wrote: ↑14 Apr 2026, 23:54 holy shit the background connections are baddd on ae (for some reason its background connecting to both palemoon.org and basilisk-browser.org aswell as PayPal?
Dact-ae is *VERY* tame considering THIS is what Official (I used PortableApps, the results are the same!) Firefox looks like on its VERY FIRST LAUNCH.
Fresh OS install, very first install-and-launch of Firefox.
One should really *NEVER* "install" Firefox *with* an internet connection active.
Install with internet DISABLED COMPLETELY, jump through about six hundred and sixty six "hoops" to CONFIGURE IT, et cetera.
So that at least FUTURE launches don't reach out to OVER TWO HUNDRED connections !!!

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wuggy wrote: ↑14 Apr 2026, 23:54 holy shit the background connections are baddd on ae (for some reason its background connecting to both palemoon.org and basilisk-browser.org aswell as PayPal?
Dact-ae is *VERY* tame considering THIS is what Official (I used PortableApps, the results are the same!) Firefox looks like on its VERY FIRST LAUNCH.
Fresh OS install, very first install-and-launch of Firefox.
One should really *NEVER* "install" Firefox *with* an internet connection active.
Install with internet DISABLED COMPLETELY, jump through about six hundred and sixty six "hoops" to CONFIGURE IT, et cetera.
So that at least FUTURE launches don't reach out to OVER TWO HUNDRED connections !!!

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The-10-Pen wrote: ↑15 Apr 2026, 01:24 One should really *NEVER* "install" Firefox
FTFY]]>
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑15 Apr 2026, 01:24 One should really *NEVER* "install" Firefox
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2) I really have no clue what "FTFY" stands for. F..k That F..k You ???]]>
2) I really have no clue what "FTFY" stands for. F..k That F..k You ???]]> <![CDATA[Community Projects :: Dactyloidae Browser (yet another UXP, what a surprise) :: Reply by wuggy]]> 2026-04-15T02:20:41+00:00 2026-04-15T02:20:41+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=956&p=8781#p8781
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑15 Apr 2026, 01:24
wuggy wrote: ↑14 Apr 2026, 23:54 holy shit the background connections are baddd on ae (for some reason its background connecting to both palemoon.org and basilisk-browser.org aswell as PayPal?
Dact-ae is *VERY* tame considering THIS is what Official (I used PortableApps, the results are the same!) Firefox looks like on its VERY FIRST LAUNCH.
Fresh OS install, very first install-and-launch of Firefox.
One should really *NEVER* "install" Firefox *with* an internet connection active.
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The-10-Pen wrote: ↑15 Apr 2026, 01:24
wuggy wrote: ↑14 Apr 2026, 23:54 holy shit the background connections are baddd on ae (for some reason its background connecting to both palemoon.org and basilisk-browser.org aswell as PayPal?
Dact-ae is *VERY* tame considering THIS is what Official (I used PortableApps, the results are the same!) Firefox looks like on its VERY FIRST LAUNCH.
Fresh OS install, very first install-and-launch of Firefox.
One should really *NEVER* "install" Firefox *with* an internet connection active.
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wuggy wrote: ↑15 Apr 2026, 02:20 Here it is on Dactyloidae 13.1
That doesn't look correct.
For one, you would have had to disable Dact-ae's default schemery of installing uBO without asking you if you want uBO.]]>
wuggy wrote: ↑15 Apr 2026, 02:20 Here it is on Dactyloidae 13.1
That doesn't look correct.
For one, you would have had to disable Dact-ae's default schemery of installing uBO without asking you if you want uBO.]]> <![CDATA[Community Projects :: Dactyloidae Browser (yet another UXP, what a surprise) :: Reply by wuggy]]> 2026-04-15T02:42:17+00:00 2026-04-15T02:42:17+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=956&p=8783#p8783
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑15 Apr 2026, 02:32
wuggy wrote: ↑15 Apr 2026, 02:20 Here it is on Dactyloidae 13.1
That doesn't look correct.
For one, you would have had to disable Dact-ae's default schemery of installing uBO without asking you if you want uBO.
I never got the uBO bundling to work for me, even on a fresh profile.]]>
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑15 Apr 2026, 02:32
wuggy wrote: ↑15 Apr 2026, 02:20 Here it is on Dactyloidae 13.1
That doesn't look correct.
For one, you would have had to disable Dact-ae's default schemery of installing uBO without asking you if you want uBO.
I never got the uBO bundling to work for me, even on a fresh profile.]]> <![CDATA[Community Projects :: Dactyloidae Browser (yet another UXP, what a surprise) :: Reply by Duke]]> 2026-04-15T04:30:51+00:00 2026-04-15T04:30:51+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=956&p=8784#p8784
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑15 Apr 2026, 01:24 jump through about six hundred and sixty six "hoops" to CONFIGURE IT, et cetera.
So that at least FUTURE launches don't reach out to OVER TWO HUNDRED connections !!!
Once again you are talking about DNS queries and not established connections. We already had this discussion:
https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?p=7151#p7151

If you want to see active connections then use TCPView: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/tcpview
or NetworkTrafficView if you want to use another tool from NirSoft: https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/network_traffic_view.html]]>
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑15 Apr 2026, 01:24 jump through about six hundred and sixty six "hoops" to CONFIGURE IT, et cetera.
So that at least FUTURE launches don't reach out to OVER TWO HUNDRED connections !!!
Once again you are talking about DNS queries and not established connections. We already had this discussion:
https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?p=7151#p7151

If you want to see active connections then use TCPView: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/tcpview
or NetworkTrafficView if you want to use another tool from NirSoft: https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/network_traffic_view.html]]> <![CDATA[Community Projects :: Dactyloidae Browser (yet another UXP, what a surprise) :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-15T21:32:32+00:00 2026-04-15T21:32:32+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=956&p=8785#p8785 I'm not going to IGNORE them - THEY SHOULD NOT EXIST, you don't need a dns query unless you need to USE IT.
I've done the TCP log route also - and FIREFOX and FORKS really do make a sh#tTon of connections - until you jump through hoops.
Which is "more important" still seems a bit of "to may toe, to mah toe" to me.

You really do not need a "dns lookup" unless you need to USE IT, *they should not exist* and I view it as *biased* to think otherwise.
Sorry, just do.

BOTH of them are CONNECTIONS to the OUTSIDE WORLD.
NEITHER should exist unless the USER opts to connect to anywhere within that outside world.
NO browser should EVER have to connect to the OUTSIDE WORLD just because it was OPENED and the user hasn't even told it WHERE TO GO yet.

That really is a BIG DEAL to me. NO OUTSIDE WORLD CONNECTIONS just because I opened a d@mn web browser!


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I've done the TCP log route also - and FIREFOX and FORKS really do make a sh#tTon of connections - until you jump through hoops.
Which is "more important" still seems a bit of "to may toe, to mah toe" to me.

You really do not need a "dns lookup" unless you need to USE IT, *they should not exist* and I view it as *biased* to think otherwise.
Sorry, just do.

BOTH of them are CONNECTIONS to the OUTSIDE WORLD.
NEITHER should exist unless the USER opts to connect to anywhere within that outside world.
NO browser should EVER have to connect to the OUTSIDE WORLD just because it was OPENED and the user hasn't even told it WHERE TO GO yet.

That really is a BIG DEAL to me. NO OUTSIDE WORLD CONNECTIONS just because I opened a d@mn web browser!


ps - reading or posting here lately is a bit of a NIGHTMARE... spinning circles for SEVERAL minutes... Ugh...]]> <![CDATA[Community Projects :: Dactyloidae Browser (yet another UXP, what a surprise) :: Reply by enmanuel]]> 2026-04-15T23:19:00+00:00 2026-04-15T23:19:00+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=956&p=8786#p8786
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑14 Apr 2026, 10:37 Also, I really really REALLY HATE that uBO is "included by default" !!!
Well, why? I really like uBO for content blocking. And even if you did hate it, can't you just uninstall? I didn't get the uBO bundle when i upgraded from 13.0 to 13.1 so sorry for any mistakes]]>
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑14 Apr 2026, 10:37 Also, I really really REALLY HATE that uBO is "included by default" !!!
Well, why? I really like uBO for content blocking. And even if you did hate it, can't you just uninstall? I didn't get the uBO bundle when i upgraded from 13.0 to 13.1 so sorry for any mistakes]]> <![CDATA[Community Projects :: Dactyloidae Browser (yet another UXP, what a surprise) :: Reply by Duke]]> 2026-04-16T00:02:58+00:00 2026-04-16T00:02:58+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=956&p=8791#p8791
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑15 Apr 2026, 21:32 BOTH of them are CONNECTIONS to the OUTSIDE WORLD.
No.
One and only DNS server is not the whole outside world.
Plus you are not sending data, telemetry or whatever else information to a DNS server but only the resolution request of a domain name to an IP number.
Nothing else.

Not to mention that many things on your computer are connecting to the outside world once you simply boot it. The video driver is one example but many parts of the OS are also making connections to the outside world.

If you don't want connections that you can't control then don't even connect your computer to the internet.]]>
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑15 Apr 2026, 21:32 BOTH of them are CONNECTIONS to the OUTSIDE WORLD.
No.
One and only DNS server is not the whole outside world.
Plus you are not sending data, telemetry or whatever else information to a DNS server but only the resolution request of a domain name to an IP number.
Nothing else.

Not to mention that many things on your computer are connecting to the outside world once you simply boot it. The video driver is one example but many parts of the OS are also making connections to the outside world.

If you don't want connections that you can't control then don't even connect your computer to the internet.]]> <![CDATA[Community Projects :: Dactyloidae Browser (yet another UXP, what a surprise) :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-16T00:11:41+00:00 2026-04-16T00:11:41+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=956&p=8792#p8792
And you keep overlooking, it's not simply about the DNS because TCPs *also occur*.
I personally think DNSs are easier to track because I always have to do *DOZENS* (plural!) of IP Address Lookups when parsing a TCP log. So yeah, I prefer the DNS logs because they don't require that tedious task.

To Each Their Own.
None of my browsers ping a DNS server just because I open it.

Your computer, your rules.
My computer, my rules.

NOTHING ELSE. :)]]>
And you keep overlooking, it's not simply about the DNS because TCPs *also occur*.
I personally think DNSs are easier to track because I always have to do *DOZENS* (plural!) of IP Address Lookups when parsing a TCP log. So yeah, I prefer the DNS logs because they don't require that tedious task.

To Each Their Own.
None of my browsers ping a DNS server just because I open it.

Your computer, your rules.
My computer, my rules.

NOTHING ELSE. :)]]> <![CDATA[Community Projects :: Dactyloidae Browser (yet another UXP, what a surprise) :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-16T00:15:23+00:00 2026-04-16T00:15:23+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=956&p=8793#p8793
enmanuel wrote: ↑15 Apr 2026, 23:19 I really like uBO for content blocking.
As do I !!! !!! !!!
But I intentionally use an OLDER version and I have personally HEAVILY modified it.
Something I do not want to do each and every time a USELESS update is rolled out.

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enmanuel wrote: ↑15 Apr 2026, 23:19 I really like uBO for content blocking.
As do I !!! !!! !!!
But I intentionally use an OLDER version and I have personally HEAVILY modified it.
Something I do not want to do each and every time a USELESS update is rolled out.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.]]> <![CDATA[Community Projects :: Dactyloidae Browser (yet another UXP, what a surprise) :: Reply by wuggy]]> 2026-04-17T22:15:02+00:00 2026-04-17T22:15:02+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=956&p=8832#p8832
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑15 Apr 2026, 01:24
wuggy wrote: ↑14 Apr 2026, 23:54 holy shit the background connections are baddd on ae (for some reason its background connecting to both palemoon.org and basilisk-browser.org aswell as PayPal?
Dact-ae is *VERY* tame considering THIS is what Official (I used PortableApps, the results are the same!) Firefox looks like on its VERY FIRST LAUNCH.
Fresh OS install, very first install-and-launch of Firefox.
One should really *NEVER* "install" Firefox *with* an internet connection active.
Install with internet DISABLED COMPLETELY, jump through about six hundred and sixty six "hoops" to CONFIGURE IT, et cetera.
So that at least FUTURE launches don't reach out to OVER TWO HUNDRED connections !!!


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The-10-Pen wrote: ↑15 Apr 2026, 01:24
wuggy wrote: ↑14 Apr 2026, 23:54 holy shit the background connections are baddd on ae (for some reason its background connecting to both palemoon.org and basilisk-browser.org aswell as PayPal?
Dact-ae is *VERY* tame considering THIS is what Official (I used PortableApps, the results are the same!) Firefox looks like on its VERY FIRST LAUNCH.
Fresh OS install, very first install-and-launch of Firefox.
One should really *NEVER* "install" Firefox *with* an internet connection active.
Install with internet DISABLED COMPLETELY, jump through about six hundred and sixty six "hoops" to CONFIGURE IT, et cetera.
So that at least FUTURE launches don't reach out to OVER TWO HUNDRED connections !!!


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wuggy wrote: ↑17 Apr 2026, 22:15 Here it is on 13.2 (mind you, this is still in early ALPHA), quite a bit more tame compared to 13.1.
Awesome!
VERY GREATFUL that somebody is taking "trivial" connections SERIOUSLY !!! KUDOS!
I'm not biased. I'm really not. Just been "doing this" for a very long time, never believe "marketing" claims, it's really that simple.
I have no browsing habits that need "hidden" or anything, I just believe in PRIVACY RIGHTS and "telemetry" of any kind P*SS#S ME OFF !!!

I do (kind of) admit that Firefox/LibreWolf P*SS#S ME OFF THE MOST because they GO OUT OF THEIR WAY to "market" themselves towards 'privacy'.
But yeah, MAYBE we have BEATEN THAT DEAD HORSE enough. :) I said *MAYBE*


Source: https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/browser-connected-domains-telemetry-test-2025-by-sizeofcat/26866
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wuggy wrote: ↑17 Apr 2026, 22:15 Here it is on 13.2 (mind you, this is still in early ALPHA), quite a bit more tame compared to 13.1.
Awesome!
VERY GREATFUL that somebody is taking "trivial" connections SERIOUSLY !!! KUDOS!
I'm not biased. I'm really not. Just been "doing this" for a very long time, never believe "marketing" claims, it's really that simple.
I have no browsing habits that need "hidden" or anything, I just believe in PRIVACY RIGHTS and "telemetry" of any kind P*SS#S ME OFF !!!

I do (kind of) admit that Firefox/LibreWolf P*SS#S ME OFF THE MOST because they GO OUT OF THEIR WAY to "market" themselves towards 'privacy'.
But yeah, MAYBE we have BEATEN THAT DEAD HORSE enough. :) I said *MAYBE*


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What that means is the browser's configuration and stuff will be under the .config folder in /home/ instead of it's own folder in /home/ (why??)]]>
What that means is the browser's configuration and stuff will be under the .config folder in /home/ instead of it's own folder in /home/ (why??)]]> <![CDATA[Community Projects :: Dactyloidae Browser (yet another UXP, what a surprise) :: Reply by Duke]]> 2026-04-18T03:38:21+00:00 2026-04-18T03:38:21+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=956&p=8842#p8842 https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-stop-firefox-making-automatic-connections]]> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-stop-firefox-making-automatic-connections]]> <![CDATA[Community Projects :: Dactyloidae Browser (yet another UXP, what a surprise) :: Reply by BAVBR]]> 2026-04-18T17:30:44+00:00 2026-04-19T00:38:08+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=956&p=8873#p8873
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I checked the source code and made all the changes to the files that were modified, but I still haven't been successful; I tried to extract the omni.ja files, but the parts relating to the language are not being extracted and I am unable to review them.

Anyway, I'll leave the preview version for anyone who wants to test it: https://send.now/i2sg33lugahg

PS.: I tested the Linux version on BigLinux Based in Manjaro 26.0.3 (kernel 6.12.77 and Mesa 26..0.1) and noticed some glitches in the interface and webextensions but it is working without any major problems.
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I checked the source code and made all the changes to the files that were modified, but I still haven't been successful; I tried to extract the omni.ja files, but the parts relating to the language are not being extracted and I am unable to review them.

Anyway, I'll leave the preview version for anyone who wants to test it: https://send.now/i2sg33lugahg

PS.: I tested the Linux version on BigLinux Based in Manjaro 26.0.3 (kernel 6.12.77 and Mesa 26..0.1) and noticed some glitches in the interface and webextensions but it is working without any major problems.
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]]> <![CDATA[Community Projects :: Dactyloidae Browser (yet another UXP, what a surprise) :: Reply by Iffy-chan]]> 2026-04-18T23:20:20+00:00 2026-04-18T23:20:20+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=956&p=8882#p8882
wuggy wrote: ↑17 Apr 2026, 22:58 Also a small thing which somehow wasn't done by anyone else but now, Dactyloidae is now XDG compliant (on Linux and BSDs)

What that means is the browser's configuration and stuff will be under the .config folder in /home/ instead of it's own folder in /home/ (why??)
Oh, neat. Even current iterations of Firefox make a .mozilla folder, if I'm not mistaken.

Also, consider making Mojeek the default search engine, if you read their blog you'll see what I mean. It's actually privacy-friendly, and uses its own crawler, unlike most other 'smaller' search engines. https://www.mojeek.com/]]>
wuggy wrote: ↑17 Apr 2026, 22:58 Also a small thing which somehow wasn't done by anyone else but now, Dactyloidae is now XDG compliant (on Linux and BSDs)

What that means is the browser's configuration and stuff will be under the .config folder in /home/ instead of it's own folder in /home/ (why??)
Oh, neat. Even current iterations of Firefox make a .mozilla folder, if I'm not mistaken.

Also, consider making Mojeek the default search engine, if you read their blog you'll see what I mean. It's actually privacy-friendly, and uses its own crawler, unlike most other 'smaller' search engines. https://www.mojeek.com/]]> <![CDATA[Community Projects :: Dactyloidae Browser (yet another UXP, what a surprise) :: Reply by wuggy]]> 2026-04-19T02:17:15+00:00 2026-04-19T02:17:15+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=956&p=8885#p8885
Iffy-chan wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 23:20 Also, consider making Mojeek the default search engine, if you read their blog you'll see what I mean. It's actually privacy-friendly, and uses its own crawler, unlike most other 'smaller' search engines. https://www.mojeek.com/
I’m only using DuckDuckGo because it helps support the Pale Moon developers financially (their deal with DDG is their primary source of income).

I’ll make Mojeek an option though.]]>
Iffy-chan wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 23:20 Also, consider making Mojeek the default search engine, if you read their blog you'll see what I mean. It's actually privacy-friendly, and uses its own crawler, unlike most other 'smaller' search engines. https://www.mojeek.com/
I’m only using DuckDuckGo because it helps support the Pale Moon developers financially (their deal with DDG is their primary source of income).

I’ll make Mojeek an option though.]]> <![CDATA[Community Projects :: Dactyloidae Browser (yet another UXP, what a surprise) :: Reply by Iffy-chan]]> 2026-04-19T06:57:01+00:00 2026-04-19T06:57:01+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=956&p=8887#p8887
wuggy wrote: ↑19 Apr 2026, 02:17
Iffy-chan wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 23:20 Also, consider making Mojeek the default search engine, if you read their blog you'll see what I mean. It's actually privacy-friendly, and uses its own crawler, unlike most other 'smaller' search engines. https://www.mojeek.com/
I’m only using DuckDuckGo because it helps support the Pale Moon developers financially (their deal with DDG is their primary source of income).

I’ll make Mojeek an option though.
Thank you! DDG/Bing is better for non-English results, anyhow.

As it stands, by the way, the default bookmarks bar also not only lacks a link to Eclipse and/or the Pale Moon website, but the repository link is outdated and I can't even find 'bookmarks' in the [...] dropdown menu for some reason? Not sure if I'm doing something wrong, lol.

There's a typo in this text: "No notification will be shown until you restart Dactyloidae", it should be 'notifications'.
Not sure about 'alternate' engines in the description about search bars. I'm pretty sure alternate is a verb and alternative is the adjective, though apparently it's an Americanism to use 'alternate' everywhere...

(Also, please readd the option to set the new tab page, that was removed in Firefox 48? It seems like it was only ever removed because Chrome did it...)]]>
wuggy wrote: ↑19 Apr 2026, 02:17
Iffy-chan wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 23:20 Also, consider making Mojeek the default search engine, if you read their blog you'll see what I mean. It's actually privacy-friendly, and uses its own crawler, unlike most other 'smaller' search engines. https://www.mojeek.com/
I’m only using DuckDuckGo because it helps support the Pale Moon developers financially (their deal with DDG is their primary source of income).

I’ll make Mojeek an option though.
Thank you! DDG/Bing is better for non-English results, anyhow.

As it stands, by the way, the default bookmarks bar also not only lacks a link to Eclipse and/or the Pale Moon website, but the repository link is outdated and I can't even find 'bookmarks' in the [...] dropdown menu for some reason? Not sure if I'm doing something wrong, lol.

There's a typo in this text: "No notification will be shown until you restart Dactyloidae", it should be 'notifications'.
Not sure about 'alternate' engines in the description about search bars. I'm pretty sure alternate is a verb and alternative is the adjective, though apparently it's an Americanism to use 'alternate' everywhere...

(Also, please readd the option to set the new tab page, that was removed in Firefox 48? It seems like it was only ever removed because Chrome did it...)]]> <![CDATA[Community Projects :: Dactyloidae Browser (yet another UXP, what a surprise) :: Reply by wuggy]]> 2026-04-22T10:08:01+00:00 2026-04-22T10:08:01+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=956&p=8905#p8905 This prerelease uses zlib-ng and MSVC's stdlib implementation instead of custom stdlib implementations.

https://repo.dactyloidae.xyz/Dactyloidae/UXP/releases/tag/13.2-pre1.1

1. Do you think the speed is better then 13.1?
2. Is there anything you want me to change or add?]]> This prerelease uses zlib-ng and MSVC's stdlib implementation instead of custom stdlib implementations.

https://repo.dactyloidae.xyz/Dactyloidae/UXP/releases/tag/13.2-pre1.1

1. Do you think the speed is better then 13.1?
2. Is there anything you want me to change or add?]]> <![CDATA[Community Projects :: Dactyloidae Browser (yet another UXP, what a surprise) :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-22T10:52:04+00:00 2026-04-22T10:52:04+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=956&p=8906#p8906 Had to add (I always have to add) vcruntime140_1.dll, version 14.27.29111.0, dated 10/23/2020 (just first/most-recent found as a download)

Speedometer 2.1 scores

Dact-ae v13.1
run 1) 58.5 +/- 1.9
run 2) 58.7 +/- 1.7
average: 58.6

Dact-ae v13.2
run 1) 57.5 +/- 1.9
run 2) 59.6 +/- 2.2
average: 58.55]]> Had to add (I always have to add) vcruntime140_1.dll, version 14.27.29111.0, dated 10/23/2020 (just first/most-recent found as a download)

Speedometer 2.1 scores

Dact-ae v13.1
run 1) 58.5 +/- 1.9
run 2) 58.7 +/- 1.7
average: 58.6

Dact-ae v13.2
run 1) 57.5 +/- 1.9
run 2) 59.6 +/- 2.2
average: 58.55]]> <![CDATA[Community Projects :: Dactyloidae Browser (yet another UXP, what a surprise) :: Reply by wuggy]]> 2026-04-22T11:42:27+00:00 2026-04-22T11:42:27+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=956&p=8907#p8907
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑22 Apr 2026, 10:52 Win11 Pro 21H2 x64 with 4 GB RAM
Had to add (I always have to add) vcruntime140_1.dll, version 14.27.29111.0, dated 10/23/2020 (just first/most-recent found as a download)

Speedometer 2.1 scores

Dact-ae v13.1
run 1) 58.5 +/- 1.9
run 2) 58.7 +/- 1.7
average: 58.6

Dact-ae v13.2
run 1) 57.5 +/- 1.9
run 2) 59.6 +/- 2.2
average: 58.55
Faster by like 1 point. Interesting. Will probably add more, I know emberJS is letting the score down, will probably backport some shit from Quantum.]]>
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑22 Apr 2026, 10:52 Win11 Pro 21H2 x64 with 4 GB RAM
Had to add (I always have to add) vcruntime140_1.dll, version 14.27.29111.0, dated 10/23/2020 (just first/most-recent found as a download)

Speedometer 2.1 scores

Dact-ae v13.1
run 1) 58.5 +/- 1.9
run 2) 58.7 +/- 1.7
average: 58.6

Dact-ae v13.2
run 1) 57.5 +/- 1.9
run 2) 59.6 +/- 2.2
average: 58.55
Faster by like 1 point. Interesting. Will probably add more, I know emberJS is letting the score down, will probably backport some shit from Quantum.]]> <![CDATA[Community Projects :: Dactyloidae Browser (yet another UXP, what a surprise) :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-22T12:04:11+00:00 2026-04-22T13:48:11+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=956&p=8908#p8908
wuggy wrote: ↑22 Apr 2026, 11:42 Faster by like 1 point.

No it isn't! You're "seeing what you want to see".

I would call that SLOWER, if anything.
Averaging two runs *** II SS *** ***SLOWER***.

UXP is way way WAY too SS LL OO WW for me to run TEN TIMES. (edit: but I did anyway, see below)
"The truth is in the pudding", run 'em ten times and 13.1 and 13.2 are (edit: PROBABLY) IDENTICAL in speed. (edit: Nope, 13.2 is SLOWER, see below)

TEN runs should be a better statistical measurement.
But even just TWO runs suggests SLOWER TO IDENTICAL and **NOT** "faster by like 1 point".]]>
wuggy wrote: ↑22 Apr 2026, 11:42 Faster by like 1 point.

No it isn't! You're "seeing what you want to see".

I would call that SLOWER, if anything.
Averaging two runs *** II SS *** ***SLOWER***.

UXP is way way WAY too SS LL OO WW for me to run TEN TIMES. (edit: but I did anyway, see below)
"The truth is in the pudding", run 'em ten times and 13.1 and 13.2 are (edit: PROBABLY) IDENTICAL in speed. (edit: Nope, 13.2 is SLOWER, see below)

TEN runs should be a better statistical measurement.
But even just TWO runs suggests SLOWER TO IDENTICAL and **NOT** "faster by like 1 point".]]> <![CDATA[Community Projects :: Dactyloidae Browser (yet another UXP, what a surprise) :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-22T13:40:55+00:00 2026-04-22T13:40:55+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=956&p=8909#p8909
You can NOT look at v13.2 being the only 59.x score but turn a blind eye to it scoring THREE tests in the 54.x range instead of v13.1's ONE in the 54.x range.

I'm sorry, but numbers don't lie, the DATA tells us that v13.2 is *SLOWER* than v13.1 !!!

Dact-ae v13.1
run 1) 58.5 +/- 1.9 -- 1st launch
run 2) 58.7 +/- 1.7 -- 1st launch
run 3) 56.1 +/- 1.6 -- 2nd launch
run 4) 55.1 +/- 1.6 -- 2nd launch
run 5) 55.6 +/- 1.9 -- 2nd launch
run 6) 56.2 +/- 1.3 -- 2nd launch
run 7) 54.1 +/- 1.4 -- 3rd launch
run 8) 55.3 +/- 1.7 -- 3rd launch
run 9) 55.0 +/- 1.6 -- 3rd launch
run A) 55.2 +/- 1.3 -- 3rd launch
average: 55.98

Dact-ae v13.2
run 1) 57.5 +/- 1.9 -- 1st launch
run 2) 59.6 +/- 2.2 -- 1st launch
run 3) 54.3 +/- 2.1 -- 2nd launch
run 4) 55.0 +/- .81 -- 2nd launch
run 5) 55.4 +/- 1.6 -- 2nd launch
run 6) 55.4 +/- 1.2 -- 2nd launch
run 7) 54.8 +/- 1.9 -- 3rd launch
run 8) 54.7 +/- 1.5 -- 3rd launch
run 9) 55.0 +/- 1.9 -- 3rd launch
run A) 55.3 +/- 1.9 -- 3rd launch
average: 55.70


It is fair game to exclude OUTLIERS. ie, record all data but do not use the HIGHEST and the LOWEST in your statistical analysis.

That gives us this:

Dact-ae v13.1
run 1) 58.5 +/- 1.9 -- 1st launch
run 2) 58.7 +/- 1.7 -- 1st launch
run 3) 56.1 +/- 1.6 -- 2nd launch
run 4) 55.1 +/- 1.6 -- 2nd launch
run 5) 55.6 +/- 1.9 -- 2nd launch
run 6) 56.2 +/- 1.3 -- 2nd launch
run 7) 54.1 +/- 1.4 -- 3rd launch
run 8) 55.3 +/- 1.7 -- 3rd launch
run 9) 55.0 +/- 1.6 -- 3rd launch
run A) 55.2 +/- 1.3 -- 3rd launch
average: 55.875

Dact-ae v13.2
run 1) 57.5 +/- 1.9 -- 1st launch
run 2) 59.6 +/- 2.2 -- 1st launch
run 3) 54.3 +/- 2.1 -- 2nd launch
run 4) 55.0 +/- .81 -- 2nd launch
run 5) 55.4 +/- 1.6 -- 2nd launch
run 6) 55.4 +/- 1.2 -- 2nd launch
run 7) 54.8 +/- 1.9 -- 3rd launch
run 8) 54.7 +/- 1.5 -- 3rd launch
run 9) 55.0 +/- 1.9 -- 3rd launch
run A) 55.3 +/- 1.9 -- 3rd launch
average: 55.3875


v13.2 is SLOWER !!!

Q.E.D.]]>
You can NOT look at v13.2 being the only 59.x score but turn a blind eye to it scoring THREE tests in the 54.x range instead of v13.1's ONE in the 54.x range.

I'm sorry, but numbers don't lie, the DATA tells us that v13.2 is *SLOWER* than v13.1 !!!

Dact-ae v13.1
run 1) 58.5 +/- 1.9 -- 1st launch
run 2) 58.7 +/- 1.7 -- 1st launch
run 3) 56.1 +/- 1.6 -- 2nd launch
run 4) 55.1 +/- 1.6 -- 2nd launch
run 5) 55.6 +/- 1.9 -- 2nd launch
run 6) 56.2 +/- 1.3 -- 2nd launch
run 7) 54.1 +/- 1.4 -- 3rd launch
run 8) 55.3 +/- 1.7 -- 3rd launch
run 9) 55.0 +/- 1.6 -- 3rd launch
run A) 55.2 +/- 1.3 -- 3rd launch
average: 55.98

Dact-ae v13.2
run 1) 57.5 +/- 1.9 -- 1st launch
run 2) 59.6 +/- 2.2 -- 1st launch
run 3) 54.3 +/- 2.1 -- 2nd launch
run 4) 55.0 +/- .81 -- 2nd launch
run 5) 55.4 +/- 1.6 -- 2nd launch
run 6) 55.4 +/- 1.2 -- 2nd launch
run 7) 54.8 +/- 1.9 -- 3rd launch
run 8) 54.7 +/- 1.5 -- 3rd launch
run 9) 55.0 +/- 1.9 -- 3rd launch
run A) 55.3 +/- 1.9 -- 3rd launch
average: 55.70


It is fair game to exclude OUTLIERS. ie, record all data but do not use the HIGHEST and the LOWEST in your statistical analysis.

That gives us this:

Dact-ae v13.1
run 1) 58.5 +/- 1.9 -- 1st launch
run 2) 58.7 +/- 1.7 -- 1st launch
run 3) 56.1 +/- 1.6 -- 2nd launch
run 4) 55.1 +/- 1.6 -- 2nd launch
run 5) 55.6 +/- 1.9 -- 2nd launch
run 6) 56.2 +/- 1.3 -- 2nd launch
run 7) 54.1 +/- 1.4 -- 3rd launch
run 8) 55.3 +/- 1.7 -- 3rd launch
run 9) 55.0 +/- 1.6 -- 3rd launch
run A) 55.2 +/- 1.3 -- 3rd launch
average: 55.875

Dact-ae v13.2
run 1) 57.5 +/- 1.9 -- 1st launch
run 2) 59.6 +/- 2.2 -- 1st launch
run 3) 54.3 +/- 2.1 -- 2nd launch
run 4) 55.0 +/- .81 -- 2nd launch
run 5) 55.4 +/- 1.6 -- 2nd launch
run 6) 55.4 +/- 1.2 -- 2nd launch
run 7) 54.8 +/- 1.9 -- 3rd launch
run 8) 54.7 +/- 1.5 -- 3rd launch
run 9) 55.0 +/- 1.9 -- 3rd launch
run A) 55.3 +/- 1.9 -- 3rd launch
average: 55.3875


v13.2 is SLOWER !!!

Q.E.D.]]> <![CDATA[Community Projects :: Dactyloidae Browser (yet another UXP, what a surprise) :: Reply by wuggy]]> 2026-04-24T08:44:26+00:00 2026-04-24T08:44:26+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=956&p=8921#p8921 <![CDATA[Community Projects :: Dactyloidae Browser (yet another UXP, what a surprise) :: Reply by wuggy]]> 2026-04-27T07:21:30+00:00 2026-04-27T07:21:30+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=956&p=8937#p8937
For older releases (13.2-pre1.2, 13.1, 13.0, 12.1), refer to https://repo.dactyloidae.xyz/Dactyloidae/UXP/releases
For releases before 12.1 (12.0, 11.1, 11.0, old canary builds), refer to https://www.github.com/OwnedByWuigi/UXP/releases

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For older releases (13.2-pre1.2, 13.1, 13.0, 12.1), refer to https://repo.dactyloidae.xyz/Dactyloidae/UXP/releases
For releases before 12.1 (12.0, 11.1, 11.0, old canary builds), refer to https://www.github.com/OwnedByWuigi/UXP/releases

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https://github.com/Eclipse-Community/Dactyloidae/releases/tag/13.2-pre2]]> <![CDATA[Community Projects :: Dactyloidae Browser (yet another UXP, what a surprise) :: Reply by BAVBR]]> 2026-05-02T00:12:24+00:00 2026-05-02T00:12:24+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=956&p=8983#p8983
BAVBR wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 17:30 I'm trying to finalize a Dactyloidae language pack for Brazilian Portuguese, based on what I did for Serpent 52, aware that it is still under development and receiving modifications, but my progress has stalled with errors in about:home, History and Favorites.

I checked the source code and made all the changes to the files that were modified, but I still haven't been successful; I tried to extract the omni.ja files, but the parts relating to the language are not being extracted and I am unable to review them.

Anyway, I'll leave the preview version for anyone who wants to test it: https://send.now/i2sg33lugahg

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I managed to discover the error and now it is functional for anyone who wants to use or create a language pack based on the Brazilian Portuguese version. Also works in Eclipse Hydra browser:

https://github.com/bav-br/Dactyloidae-pt-br-langpack/releases/tag/v13.2]]>
BAVBR wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026, 17:30 I'm trying to finalize a Dactyloidae language pack for Brazilian Portuguese, based on what I did for Serpent 52, aware that it is still under development and receiving modifications, but my progress has stalled with errors in about:home, History and Favorites.

I checked the source code and made all the changes to the files that were modified, but I still haven't been successful; I tried to extract the omni.ja files, but the parts relating to the language are not being extracted and I am unable to review them.

Anyway, I'll leave the preview version for anyone who wants to test it: https://send.now/i2sg33lugahg

Captura de imagem_20260418_144107.png
I managed to discover the error and now it is functional for anyone who wants to use or create a language pack based on the Brazilian Portuguese version. Also works in Eclipse Hydra browser:

https://github.com/bav-br/Dactyloidae-pt-br-langpack/releases/tag/v13.2]]> <![CDATA[Community Projects :: Eclipse Lun3r & Hydra, yet another UXP fork for Windows XP+ :: Reply by BAVBR]]> 2026-05-02T00:22:08+00:00 2026-05-02T00:22:08+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=710&p=8984#p8984
https://github.com/bav-br/Dactyloidae-pt-br-langpack/releases/tag/v33.9.0]]>
https://github.com/bav-br/Dactyloidae-pt-br-langpack/releases/tag/v33.9.0]]> <![CDATA[Suggestions :: Quick links :: Author The-10-Pen]]> 2026-05-07T20:42:55+00:00 2026-05-07T20:42:55+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=974&p=9022#p9022 when not signed in?

From March 15th:
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The-10-Pen wrote: ↑07 May 2026, 20:42 Did Eclipse Community intentionally remove the "Quick links" when not signed in?
Yes. Guests now have limited access to some forum resources with the hope to reduce the overall slowness of the forum.
As seen in the popup at the top:

Eclipse-GuestsAccess.png

Actually, it seems to work. Crawlers and other AI bots are overloading the CPU of the server with too many simultaneous PHP queries, so it had to be done. And maybe more to come.

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The-10-Pen wrote: ↑07 May 2026, 20:42 Did Eclipse Community intentionally remove the "Quick links" when not signed in?
Yes. Guests now have limited access to some forum resources with the hope to reduce the overall slowness of the forum.
As seen in the popup at the top:

Eclipse-GuestsAccess.png

Actually, it seems to work. Crawlers and other AI bots are overloading the CPU of the server with too many simultaneous PHP queries, so it had to be done. And maybe more to come.

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]]> <![CDATA[Suggestions :: Quick links :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-05-07T21:10:44+00:00 2026-05-07T21:10:44+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=974&p=9024#p9024 But kind of a bummer.
My bookmark to the site is: https://board.eclipse.cx/search.php?search_id=active_topics
Which now only sends me to a "you don't have access" page and forces me to login in just to see if I need to login.
Just a sign of the times, I suppose. I don't like bookmarking the "whole forum", I just need a LIST of ACTIVE TOPICS in chronological order.
ALL of my forums allow this, but now not Eclipse Community. :(
But yeah, pros versus cons, we were definitely experience VERY LONG delays and spinning circles when trying to access Eclipse.]]> But kind of a bummer.
My bookmark to the site is: https://board.eclipse.cx/search.php?search_id=active_topics
Which now only sends me to a "you don't have access" page and forces me to login in just to see if I need to login.
Just a sign of the times, I suppose. I don't like bookmarking the "whole forum", I just need a LIST of ACTIVE TOPICS in chronological order.
ALL of my forums allow this, but now not Eclipse Community. :(
But yeah, pros versus cons, we were definitely experience VERY LONG delays and spinning circles when trying to access Eclipse.]]> <![CDATA[Suggestions :: Quick links :: Reply by Duke]]> 2026-05-07T21:27:40+00:00 2026-05-07T21:27:40+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=974&p=9025#p9025
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑07 May 2026, 21:10 Just a sign of the times, I suppose.
Yes, I'm afraid it is. These people want the whole world for free and they don't care if they put your server on its knees.
I spit on them, and I'm being polite saying it like that.

The-10-Pen wrote: ↑07 May 2026, 21:10 I just need a LIST of ACTIVE TOPICS in chronological order.
Maybe the RSS feed can help you: https://board.eclipse.cx/app.php/smartfeed/ui]]>
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑07 May 2026, 21:10 Just a sign of the times, I suppose.
Yes, I'm afraid it is. These people want the whole world for free and they don't care if they put your server on its knees.
I spit on them, and I'm being polite saying it like that.

The-10-Pen wrote: ↑07 May 2026, 21:10 I just need a LIST of ACTIVE TOPICS in chronological order.
Maybe the RSS feed can help you: https://board.eclipse.cx/app.php/smartfeed/ui]]> <![CDATA[Suggestions :: Quick links :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-05-07T21:38:28+00:00 2026-05-07T21:38:28+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=974&p=9026#p9026
Duke wrote: ↑07 May 2026, 21:27 Maybe the RSS feed can help you: https://board.eclipse.cx/app.php/smartfeed/ui
Nope, doesn't help me any.
I visit the site every day. I really do not like sifting through all of the clutter and the ACTIVE TOPICS is a NORM on pretty much ALL forums.

I don't have to log into other forums just for access to an ACTIVE TOPICS chronological listing of posts.
Life really is VERY simple with that chronological list as my go-to bookmark.
I only have to read the top two or three or four before getting to a "I already read that one, I can exit the site now or log in to reply to one".

SAD SAD SAD sign of the times.
I get it, I do. It's just SAD that something I used to be able to get in literally 4 seconds now takes a full minute or so.]]>
Duke wrote: ↑07 May 2026, 21:27 Maybe the RSS feed can help you: https://board.eclipse.cx/app.php/smartfeed/ui
Nope, doesn't help me any.
I visit the site every day. I really do not like sifting through all of the clutter and the ACTIVE TOPICS is a NORM on pretty much ALL forums.

I don't have to log into other forums just for access to an ACTIVE TOPICS chronological listing of posts.
Life really is VERY simple with that chronological list as my go-to bookmark.
I only have to read the top two or three or four before getting to a "I already read that one, I can exit the site now or log in to reply to one".

SAD SAD SAD sign of the times.
I get it, I do. It's just SAD that something I used to be able to get in literally 4 seconds now takes a full minute or so.]]> <![CDATA[Suggestions :: Quick links :: Reply by Duke]]> 2026-05-07T22:03:32+00:00 2026-05-07T22:03:32+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=974&p=9027#p9027
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑07 May 2026, 21:38 I used to be able to get in literally 4 seconds now takes a full minute or so.
Logging in takes few seconds and it's not the end of the world ;)]]>
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑07 May 2026, 21:38 I used to be able to get in literally 4 seconds now takes a full minute or so.
Logging in takes few seconds and it's not the end of the world ;)]]> <![CDATA[Suggestions :: Quick links :: Reply by the_r3dacted]]> 2026-05-07T22:08:10+00:00 2026-05-07T22:08:10+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=974&p=9028#p9028 https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/easy-rss/ and point it to the RSS feed and have an easy button with notifications and a counter in your browser. almost like a bookmark.

Also you could just stay logged in? I keep my browser signed in, and I get annoyed when I get randomly signed out.]]> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/easy-rss/ and point it to the RSS feed and have an easy button with notifications and a counter in your browser. almost like a bookmark.

Also you could just stay logged in? I keep my browser signed in, and I get annoyed when I get randomly signed out.]]> <![CDATA[Suggestions :: Quick links :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-05-07T22:13:21+00:00 2026-05-07T22:13:21+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=974&p=9029#p9029 My cache is completely emptied after each and every browser session.
I do not want the next session to "restore" tabs, I do not want the next session to have me logged in, et cetera.
To each their own. My computer, my rules. :)

Again, I get it. SAD. But I get it.]]> My cache is completely emptied after each and every browser session.
I do not want the next session to "restore" tabs, I do not want the next session to have me logged in, et cetera.
To each their own. My computer, my rules. :)

Again, I get it. SAD. But I get it.]]> <![CDATA[General Chat :: Introduce yourselves here! :: Reply by Dustman0192]]> 2026-04-10T16:44:22+00:00 2026-04-10T16:44:22+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=18&p=8727#p8727 I found out about Eclipse.cx when I found r3dfox to install on my Windows 7 gaming rig. Saw you guys had a forum and decided to join up :D I'd like to help contribute in some way as well, just haven't had the time to really dig in and see where I'd be a good fit to help!]]> I found out about Eclipse.cx when I found r3dfox to install on my Windows 7 gaming rig. Saw you guys had a forum and decided to join up :D I'd like to help contribute in some way as well, just haven't had the time to really dig in and see where I'd be a good fit to help!]]> <![CDATA[General Chat :: Introduce yourselves here! :: Reply by Duke]]> 2026-04-10T20:09:31+00:00 2026-04-10T20:09:31+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=18&p=8729#p8729 ]]> ]]> <![CDATA[General Chat :: Various videos :: Reply by Duke]]> 2026-04-10T20:12:43+00:00 2026-04-10T20:12:43+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=843&p=8730#p8730 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6FwPOb_Q_M]]> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6FwPOb_Q_M]]> <![CDATA[General Chat :: Be Humble Be Forgiving Be Open Be Kind (Depression Detox Thread) :: Reply by UCyborg]]> 2026-04-09T20:17:35+00:00 2026-04-09T20:17:35+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=780&p=8722#p8722 <![CDATA[General Chat :: Be Humble Be Forgiving Be Open Be Kind (Depression Detox Thread) :: Reply by UCyborg]]> 2026-04-11T16:29:59+00:00 2026-04-11T16:29:59+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=780&p=8748#p8748
André Linoge wrote:You don't like knowing, do you?
Mike Anderson wrote:Not your brand of it, no.
André Linoge wrote:Perhaps you don't believe me.
Mike Anderson wrote:I believe you, but the thing of it is you see only the bad, none of the good.
André Linoge wrote:By and large Constable the good's an illusion. Little fables folks tell themselves so they can get through their days without screaming too much.
Mike Anderson wrote:I don't believe that.
André Linoge wrote:I know. A good boy to the last. But I think you'll find yourself at the short end this time. Your town if full of adulterers, pedophiles, thieves, gluttons, murderers, bullies, scoundrels and covertous morons and I know every last one of them.

Born in lust, turn to dust. Born in sin, come on in.
]]>
André Linoge wrote:You don't like knowing, do you?
Mike Anderson wrote:Not your brand of it, no.
André Linoge wrote:Perhaps you don't believe me.
Mike Anderson wrote:I believe you, but the thing of it is you see only the bad, none of the good.
André Linoge wrote:By and large Constable the good's an illusion. Little fables folks tell themselves so they can get through their days without screaming too much.
Mike Anderson wrote:I don't believe that.
André Linoge wrote:I know. A good boy to the last. But I think you'll find yourself at the short end this time. Your town if full of adulterers, pedophiles, thieves, gluttons, murderers, bullies, scoundrels and covertous morons and I know every last one of them.

Born in lust, turn to dust. Born in sin, come on in.
]]> <![CDATA[General Chat :: Be Humble Be Forgiving Be Open Be Kind (Depression Detox Thread) :: Reply by Duke]]> 2026-04-12T18:38:55+00:00 2026-04-12T18:38:55+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=780&p=8759#p8759 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is_the_glass_half_empty_or_half_full%3F

Your choice ;)]]> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is_the_glass_half_empty_or_half_full%3F

Your choice ;)]]> <![CDATA[General Chat :: Be Humble Be Forgiving Be Open Be Kind (Depression Detox Thread) :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-12T18:42:01+00:00 2026-04-12T18:42:01+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=780&p=8760#p8760
Duke wrote: ↑12 Apr 2026, 18:38 Is the glass half empty or half full ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is_the_glass_half_empty_or_half_full%3F

Your choice ;)
NEITHER !!!

I've always preferred "You need a different size of glass."]]>
Duke wrote: ↑12 Apr 2026, 18:38 Is the glass half empty or half full ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is_the_glass_half_empty_or_half_full%3F

Your choice ;)
NEITHER !!!

I've always preferred "You need a different size of glass."]]> <![CDATA[General Chat :: Be Humble Be Forgiving Be Open Be Kind (Depression Detox Thread) :: Reply by UCyborg]]> 2026-04-17T06:11:23+00:00 2026-04-17T06:11:23+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=780&p=8819#p8819 <![CDATA[General Chat :: Be Humble Be Forgiving Be Open Be Kind (Depression Detox Thread) :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-17T12:09:19+00:00 2026-04-17T12:09:19+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=780&p=8827#p8827
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storm_of_the_Century
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/storm_of_the_century]]>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storm_of_the_Century
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/storm_of_the_century]]> <![CDATA[General Chat :: Today's Pet Peeve :: Author The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-17T12:05:11+00:00 2026-04-17T12:05:11+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=968&p=8826#p8826
I've never really been a fan of drug companies advertising their drugs on tv commercials.
To make matters worse, my tv provider, and even many of my streaming web sites, tend to play commercials BACK-TO-BACK.
Literally the same exact commercial played back-to-back with nothing between.

Today's Pet Peeve:
Just had to watch some stupid drug commercial, back-to-back.
Didn't catch the name of the drug, just some skin condition drug.
Didn't even catch if it was an ointment or a pill.

30 second commercial.
ENTIRE commercial (on mute, I always mute commercials) was nothing but a red rash being scratched to scabs!
An entire 30 seconds of watching somebody scratch themselves raw!

Doesn't wanna make me go out and ask a doctor for the ointment or pill, makes me wanna grab a bottle of Pepto-Bismol and drink the entire bottle.]]>
I've never really been a fan of drug companies advertising their drugs on tv commercials.
To make matters worse, my tv provider, and even many of my streaming web sites, tend to play commercials BACK-TO-BACK.
Literally the same exact commercial played back-to-back with nothing between.

Today's Pet Peeve:
Just had to watch some stupid drug commercial, back-to-back.
Didn't catch the name of the drug, just some skin condition drug.
Didn't even catch if it was an ointment or a pill.

30 second commercial.
ENTIRE commercial (on mute, I always mute commercials) was nothing but a red rash being scratched to scabs!
An entire 30 seconds of watching somebody scratch themselves raw!

Doesn't wanna make me go out and ask a doctor for the ointment or pill, makes me wanna grab a bottle of Pepto-Bismol and drink the entire bottle.]]> <![CDATA[General Chat :: Today's Pet Peeve :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-24T14:43:17+00:00 2026-04-24T14:43:17+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=968&p=8922#p8922
Marijuana b&llsh#t of any shape or kind being discussed as "news".]]>
Marijuana b&llsh#t of any shape or kind being discussed as "news".]]> <![CDATA[General Chat :: Today's Pet Peeve :: Reply by UCyborg]]> 2026-04-25T16:55:34+00:00 2026-04-25T16:55:34+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=968&p=8929#p8929
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑17 Apr 2026, 12:05 30 second commercial.
ENTIRE commercial (on mute, I always mute commercials) was nothing but a red rash being scratched to scabs!
An entire 30 seconds of watching somebody scratch themselves raw!
Obelix would say: These Americans are crazy!]]>
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑17 Apr 2026, 12:05 30 second commercial.
ENTIRE commercial (on mute, I always mute commercials) was nothing but a red rash being scratched to scabs!
An entire 30 seconds of watching somebody scratch themselves raw!
Obelix would say: These Americans are crazy!]]> <![CDATA[General Chat :: Today's Pet Peeve :: Reply by Iffy-chan]]> 2026-04-28T14:31:02+00:00 2026-04-28T14:31:02+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=968&p=8951#p8951
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑24 Apr 2026, 14:43 Today's Pet Peeve:

Marijuana b&llsh#t of any shape or kind being discussed as "news".
Not gonna lie, that stuff just makes me feel icky, and there's a certain 'pressuring' culture around it that annoys me, like everyone else is doing stuff like that who's 'cool' or idk.

Sex and drugs, cigarettes and alcohol, and being proud of falling into a hole? I dunno, not my cup of tea...]]>
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑24 Apr 2026, 14:43 Today's Pet Peeve:

Marijuana b&llsh#t of any shape or kind being discussed as "news".
Not gonna lie, that stuff just makes me feel icky, and there's a certain 'pressuring' culture around it that annoys me, like everyone else is doing stuff like that who's 'cool' or idk.

Sex and drugs, cigarettes and alcohol, and being proud of falling into a hole? I dunno, not my cup of tea...]]> <![CDATA[General Chat :: Today's Pet Peeve :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-29T17:08:18+00:00 2026-04-29T17:08:18+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=968&p=8959#p8959
When one of our "two parties" (USA "two party system") will stand and applaud a Visiting King from another country yet *PAY* protesters to attend "No Kings Rallies".

Tongue-in-cheek, of course, just seems "hypocritical" to me, lol.

(edit: hypocritical because there is so much HATE in US Politics that ANYBODY with an R behind their name could CURE CANCER and EVERYBODY with a D behind their name would SIT and CROSS THEIR ARMS and POUT LIKE A BABY when everybody else in the room "jumps for joy" and "applauds" that CANCER HAS BEEN CURED.)]]>
When one of our "two parties" (USA "two party system") will stand and applaud a Visiting King from another country yet *PAY* protesters to attend "No Kings Rallies".

Tongue-in-cheek, of course, just seems "hypocritical" to me, lol.

(edit: hypocritical because there is so much HATE in US Politics that ANYBODY with an R behind their name could CURE CANCER and EVERYBODY with a D behind their name would SIT and CROSS THEIR ARMS and POUT LIKE A BABY when everybody else in the room "jumps for joy" and "applauds" that CANCER HAS BEEN CURED.)]]> <![CDATA[General Chat :: Today's Pet Peeve :: Reply by Duke]]> 2026-04-29T19:04:54+00:00 2026-04-29T19:04:54+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=968&p=8960#p8960
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑29 Apr 2026, 17:08 When one of our "two parties" [...] *PAY* protesters
Evidences ?]]>
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑29 Apr 2026, 17:08 When one of our "two parties" [...] *PAY* protesters
Evidences ?]]> <![CDATA[General Chat :: Today's Pet Peeve :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-29T19:17:36+00:00 2026-04-29T19:17:36+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=968&p=8962#p8962
Duke wrote: ↑29 Apr 2026, 19:04
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑29 Apr 2026, 17:08 When one of our "two parties" [...] *PAY* protesters
Evidences ?
Research it yourself.
I've told you before, I will not hold your hand, and I personally feel you won't believe it anyway unless it is the product of your own research.]]>
Duke wrote: ↑29 Apr 2026, 19:04
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑29 Apr 2026, 17:08 When one of our "two parties" [...] *PAY* protesters
Evidences ?
Research it yourself.
I've told you before, I will not hold your hand, and I personally feel you won't believe it anyway unless it is the product of your own research.]]> <![CDATA[General Chat :: Today's Pet Peeve :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-29T19:50:45+00:00 2026-04-29T19:50:45+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=968&p=8963#p8963 https://legalexplained.substack.com/p/decoded-the-real-story-behind-no

IT HAPPENS ON BOTH "SIDES".

Hell, our city has PROVEN that "homeless people" were being PAID to stand on street corners and BEG FOR FOOD.
Being paid by CALIFORNIA "interests" and California is over TWO THOUSAND MILES AWAY.
That was last summer. I'd all but bet money on it that they will be back again this summer.
Probably in YOUR CITY also.]]> https://legalexplained.substack.com/p/decoded-the-real-story-behind-no

IT HAPPENS ON BOTH "SIDES".

Hell, our city has PROVEN that "homeless people" were being PAID to stand on street corners and BEG FOR FOOD.
Being paid by CALIFORNIA "interests" and California is over TWO THOUSAND MILES AWAY.
That was last summer. I'd all but bet money on it that they will be back again this summer.
Probably in YOUR CITY also.]]> <![CDATA[General Chat :: Today's Pet Peeve :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-29T19:54:49+00:00 2026-04-29T19:54:49+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=968&p=8964#p8964 One of the ceos or presidents of one of the companies funding protest rallies has ADMITTED that she used to be paid to attend rallies.
That was not a No Kings rally. I forget the name of the company. The REALITY is this, if you are SINCERE in your RESEARCH, you will find it !!!
And you will ONLY believe it if YOU YOURSELF find it !!! I believe that a thousandfold.]]> One of the ceos or presidents of one of the companies funding protest rallies has ADMITTED that she used to be paid to attend rallies.
That was not a No Kings rally. I forget the name of the company. The REALITY is this, if you are SINCERE in your RESEARCH, you will find it !!!
And you will ONLY believe it if YOU YOURSELF find it !!! I believe that a thousandfold.]]> <![CDATA[General Chat :: Today's Pet Peeve :: Reply by Duke]]> 2026-04-29T19:57:59+00:00 2026-04-29T19:57:59+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=968&p=8965#p8965
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑29 Apr 2026, 19:17
Duke wrote: ↑29 Apr 2026, 19:04
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑29 Apr 2026, 17:08 When one of our "two parties" [...] *PAY* protesters
Evidences ?
Research it yourself.
I've told you before, I will not hold your hand, and I personally feel you won't believe it anyway unless it is the product of your own research.
That means you don't have any evidences.
Such claims without any evidences or sources are useless, like peeing in the wind. Anyone can say anything like on these so called "social" platforms and some people will believe it, the reason why the world is going mad.]]>
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑29 Apr 2026, 19:17
Duke wrote: ↑29 Apr 2026, 19:04
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑29 Apr 2026, 17:08 When one of our "two parties" [...] *PAY* protesters
Evidences ?
Research it yourself.
I've told you before, I will not hold your hand, and I personally feel you won't believe it anyway unless it is the product of your own research.
That means you don't have any evidences.
Such claims without any evidences or sources are useless, like peeing in the wind. Anyone can say anything like on these so called "social" platforms and some people will believe it, the reason why the world is going mad.]]> <![CDATA[General Chat :: Today's Pet Peeve :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-29T19:59:22+00:00 2026-04-29T19:59:22+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=968&p=8966#p8966 I'm only stating that "three or four" people at a tens-of-thousands attendee event were paid to be there.
I am not, and never did, claim that "9 thousand out of 10 thousand" were paid to attend - which is what I think you "heard".]]> I'm only stating that "three or four" people at a tens-of-thousands attendee event were paid to be there.
I am not, and never did, claim that "9 thousand out of 10 thousand" were paid to attend - which is what I think you "heard".]]> <![CDATA[General Chat :: Today's Pet Peeve :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-29T20:01:09+00:00 2026-04-29T20:01:09+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=968&p=8967#p8967
Duke wrote: ↑29 Apr 2026, 19:57
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑29 Apr 2026, 19:17
Duke wrote: ↑29 Apr 2026, 19:04

Evidences ?
Research it yourself.
I've told you before, I will not hold your hand, and I personally feel you won't believe it anyway unless it is the product of your own research.
That means you don't have any evidences.
Such claims without any evidences or sources are useless, like peeing in the wind. Anyone can say anything like on these so called "social" platforms and some people will believe it, the reason why the world is going mad.
Not true and F&ck Off! Yeah, I said that out loud !!! Go ahead and ban me for not having "your political view".
I did provide a link. Did we cross-post and you didn't see it yet?]]>
Duke wrote: ↑29 Apr 2026, 19:57
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑29 Apr 2026, 19:17
Duke wrote: ↑29 Apr 2026, 19:04

Evidences ?
Research it yourself.
I've told you before, I will not hold your hand, and I personally feel you won't believe it anyway unless it is the product of your own research.
That means you don't have any evidences.
Such claims without any evidences or sources are useless, like peeing in the wind. Anyone can say anything like on these so called "social" platforms and some people will believe it, the reason why the world is going mad.
Not true and F&ck Off! Yeah, I said that out loud !!! Go ahead and ban me for not having "your political view".
I did provide a link. Did we cross-post and you didn't see it yet?]]> <![CDATA[General Chat :: Today's Pet Peeve :: Reply by Duke]]> 2026-04-29T20:02:23+00:00 2026-04-29T20:02:23+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=968&p=8968#p8968
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑29 Apr 2026, 19:50 Here, this is a START, I *beg* of you to DO SOME RESEARCH !!!
https://legalexplained.substack.com/p/decoded-the-real-story-behind-no
substack.com :roll:

The-10-Pen wrote: ↑29 Apr 2026, 19:50 Hell, our city has PROVEN that "homeless people" were being PAID to stand on street corners and BEG FOR FOOD.
Being paid by CALIFORNIA "interests" and California is over TWO THOUSAND MILES AWAY.
That's stupid. If you were homeless and being given some money what would you do with it ? Begging for food on street corners ?]]>
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑29 Apr 2026, 19:50 Here, this is a START, I *beg* of you to DO SOME RESEARCH !!!
https://legalexplained.substack.com/p/decoded-the-real-story-behind-no
substack.com :roll:

The-10-Pen wrote: ↑29 Apr 2026, 19:50 Hell, our city has PROVEN that "homeless people" were being PAID to stand on street corners and BEG FOR FOOD.
Being paid by CALIFORNIA "interests" and California is over TWO THOUSAND MILES AWAY.
That's stupid. If you were homeless and being given some money what would you do with it ? Begging for food on street corners ?]]> <![CDATA[General Chat :: Today's Pet Peeve :: Reply by Duke]]> 2026-04-29T20:04:05+00:00 2026-04-29T20:04:05+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=968&p=8969#p8969
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑29 Apr 2026, 20:01 Not true and F&ck Off! Yeah, I said that out loud !!! Go ahead and ban me for not having "your political view".
I did provide a link. Did we cross-post and you didn't see it yet?
Yes, we did cross post. So if you saw it there is no reason for insults.]]>
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑29 Apr 2026, 20:01 Not true and F&ck Off! Yeah, I said that out loud !!! Go ahead and ban me for not having "your political view".
I did provide a link. Did we cross-post and you didn't see it yet?
Yes, we did cross post. So if you saw it there is no reason for insults.]]> <![CDATA[General Chat :: Today's Pet Peeve :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-29T20:09:53+00:00 2026-04-29T20:09:53+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=968&p=8970#p8970
Duke wrote: ↑29 Apr 2026, 20:02
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑29 Apr 2026, 19:50 Here, this is a START, I *beg* of you to DO SOME RESEARCH !!!
https://legalexplained.substack.com/p/decoded-the-real-story-behind-no
substack.com :roll:

The-10-Pen wrote: ↑29 Apr 2026, 19:50 Hell, our city has PROVEN that "homeless people" were being PAID to stand on street corners and BEG FOR FOOD.
Being paid by CALIFORNIA "interests" and California is over TWO THOUSAND MILES AWAY.
That's stupid. If you were homeless and being given some money what would you do with it ? Begging for food on street corners ?
You misread. I did not say that homeless people were being paid to beg for food.
A California company was paying people THAT OWN A HOME AND A CAR to stand on street corners and PRETEND to be homeless.
You could literally follow them from their street corner to the NOT-NEW BUT NOT-THAT-OLD CAR parked a few blocks away.
I can only ASSUME that it paid them MORE then their real job, so they quit a REAL JOB to be paid to beg for food instead.
Granted, these weren't "career-minded" folks, they were the types of people that only hold a job for a few months and move on to something else.


Here, read this one also - https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/what-crowds-demand-us-firm-that-pays-people-attend-protests-how-you-can-apply-1741261]]>
Duke wrote: ↑29 Apr 2026, 20:02
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑29 Apr 2026, 19:50 Here, this is a START, I *beg* of you to DO SOME RESEARCH !!!
https://legalexplained.substack.com/p/decoded-the-real-story-behind-no
substack.com :roll:

The-10-Pen wrote: ↑29 Apr 2026, 19:50 Hell, our city has PROVEN that "homeless people" were being PAID to stand on street corners and BEG FOR FOOD.
Being paid by CALIFORNIA "interests" and California is over TWO THOUSAND MILES AWAY.
That's stupid. If you were homeless and being given some money what would you do with it ? Begging for food on street corners ?
You misread. I did not say that homeless people were being paid to beg for food.
A California company was paying people THAT OWN A HOME AND A CAR to stand on street corners and PRETEND to be homeless.
You could literally follow them from their street corner to the NOT-NEW BUT NOT-THAT-OLD CAR parked a few blocks away.
I can only ASSUME that it paid them MORE then their real job, so they quit a REAL JOB to be paid to beg for food instead.
Granted, these weren't "career-minded" folks, they were the types of people that only hold a job for a few months and move on to something else.


Here, read this one also - https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/what-crowds-demand-us-firm-that-pays-people-attend-protests-how-you-can-apply-1741261]]> <![CDATA[General Chat :: Today's Pet Peeve :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-29T20:19:13+00:00 2026-04-29T20:19:13+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=968&p=8971#p8971 https://disruptarian.com/blog/the-paid-protester-economy-whos-funding-the-outrage/

I could find DOZENS (plural!). But I still maintain that you will believe them more if YOU FIND THEM YOURSELF.
All you are going to do is claim that anything and everything I could possibly link to isn't in YOUR LIST OF TRUSTED SOURCES.

"Not my problem."]]> https://disruptarian.com/blog/the-paid-protester-economy-whos-funding-the-outrage/

I could find DOZENS (plural!). But I still maintain that you will believe them more if YOU FIND THEM YOURSELF.
All you are going to do is claim that anything and everything I could possibly link to isn't in YOUR LIST OF TRUSTED SOURCES.

"Not my problem."]]> <![CDATA[General Chat :: Today's Pet Peeve :: Reply by Duke]]> 2026-04-29T20:20:42+00:00 2026-04-29T20:20:42+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=968&p=8972#p8972
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑29 Apr 2026, 20:09 Here, read this one also - https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/what-crowds-demand-us-firm-that-pays-people-attend-protests-how-you-can-apply-1741261
An article written by Vinay Patel. Any link with the alcoholic Kash Patel ?
You see, I can make claims too. It's so easy.]]>
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑29 Apr 2026, 20:09 Here, read this one also - https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/what-crowds-demand-us-firm-that-pays-people-attend-protests-how-you-can-apply-1741261
An article written by Vinay Patel. Any link with the alcoholic Kash Patel ?
You see, I can make claims too. It's so easy.]]> <![CDATA[General Chat :: Today's Pet Peeve :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-29T20:22:01+00:00 2026-04-29T20:22:01+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=968&p=8973#p8973
So I'll say it again:

All you are going to do is claim that anything and everything I could possibly link to isn't in YOUR LIST OF TRUSTED SOURCES.

"Not my problem."]]>
So I'll say it again:

All you are going to do is claim that anything and everything I could possibly link to isn't in YOUR LIST OF TRUSTED SOURCES.

"Not my problem."]]> <![CDATA[General Chat :: Today's Pet Peeve :: Reply by wuggy]]> 2026-04-29T20:25:34+00:00 2026-04-29T20:25:34+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=968&p=8974#p8974 <![CDATA[General Chat :: Today's Pet Peeve :: Reply by Duke]]> 2026-04-29T21:16:23+00:00 2026-04-29T21:16:23+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=968&p=8975#p8975
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑29 Apr 2026, 20:22 All you are going to do is claim that anything and everything I could possibly link to isn't in YOUR LIST OF TRUSTED SOURCES.
I'm not saying that, what I'm saying is that I'm not convinced by some random articles that don't show any evidences but are only making claims.
And BTW, the more you shout using caps, bold and large fonts and the less I'm listening to you. That 'style' doesn't impress me. At all. Excesses and insults don't replace arguments. We can just have a normal and civilized discussion.]]>
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑29 Apr 2026, 20:22 All you are going to do is claim that anything and everything I could possibly link to isn't in YOUR LIST OF TRUSTED SOURCES.
I'm not saying that, what I'm saying is that I'm not convinced by some random articles that don't show any evidences but are only making claims.
And BTW, the more you shout using caps, bold and large fonts and the less I'm listening to you. That 'style' doesn't impress me. At all. Excesses and insults don't replace arguments. We can just have a normal and civilized discussion.]]> <![CDATA[General Chat :: Today's Pet Peeve :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-29T21:45:13+00:00 2026-04-29T21:45:13+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=968&p=8976#p8976
Did you at least read the 2nd (3rd? I lost count) link? ie, this one: https://disruptarian.com/blog/the-paid-protester-economy-whos-funding-the-outrage/

Does that one fit your criteria?
Maybe you have to live in a city (like mine!) where local newspapers cover Californians funding panhandlers to "see" it happening elsewhere.
It happens here quite a bit. We are a "swing state" so we see a lot of "buying votes" (by way of "propaganda") going on in this state.
You do have to LEARN how to SEE IT. If you don't "live it", then it's kind of hard to explain.]]>
Did you at least read the 2nd (3rd? I lost count) link? ie, this one: https://disruptarian.com/blog/the-paid-protester-economy-whos-funding-the-outrage/

Does that one fit your criteria?
Maybe you have to live in a city (like mine!) where local newspapers cover Californians funding panhandlers to "see" it happening elsewhere.
It happens here quite a bit. We are a "swing state" so we see a lot of "buying votes" (by way of "propaganda") going on in this state.
You do have to LEARN how to SEE IT. If you don't "live it", then it's kind of hard to explain.]]> <![CDATA[General Chat :: Then dust yourself off and try again :: Reply by UCyborg]]> 2026-04-11T16:37:10+00:00 2026-04-11T16:37:10+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=609&p=8749#p8749
Then the morons write to me to delete the app and call them to get new codes. As if deleting the app ever solved anything.]]>
Then the morons write to me to delete the app and call them to get new codes. As if deleting the app ever solved anything.]]> <![CDATA[General Chat :: Then dust yourself off and try again :: Reply by UCyborg]]> 2026-04-17T07:25:55+00:00 2026-04-17T07:25:55+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=609&p=8820#p8820
Ended up activating the bank app on a stock Samsung tablet, it doesn't like modifications on my phone. Modding has really become a hurdle. Now the thing even lies about the cause and makes you think you put in wrong codes.

Oppression...starts the day you come out of the womb. You could win the lottery and still be a slave. That's the only obvious conclusion I have come to about the state of things.

I just realized today that I tripped again yesterday on clunkiness of merging code in SVN (Subversion) with TortoiseSVN. If you have conflicts, you must not miss that damn Continue merging button. If that was the problem, at least it was previous time it happened. If you don't, some changes just won't be there. And no warning or anything before commiting. It even makes you think it was done since it composes the message that the particular commit was included.

You cannot just miss things with Tortoise(Git). If only it could be taught to update svn:mergeinfo property on SVN properly. But it's broken for some cases, so can't use Git for merges directly. Maybe by doing merge with Git and copying files over to the repo folder checked out with SVN, but then you're back at the clunkiness. Bleh, why is SVN still a thing? Considering I'm one of the few normal people at that rotten company, it doesn't look like it's going anywhere until old generations die out. :roll: But considering the way younger generations today are...

On normal, so OK, one internal tool is screwed up and doesn't put out nicely formatted files. Is it so hard to make few clicks before commiting instead of committing the unreadable mess?]]>
Ended up activating the bank app on a stock Samsung tablet, it doesn't like modifications on my phone. Modding has really become a hurdle. Now the thing even lies about the cause and makes you think you put in wrong codes.

Oppression...starts the day you come out of the womb. You could win the lottery and still be a slave. That's the only obvious conclusion I have come to about the state of things.

I just realized today that I tripped again yesterday on clunkiness of merging code in SVN (Subversion) with TortoiseSVN. If you have conflicts, you must not miss that damn Continue merging button. If that was the problem, at least it was previous time it happened. If you don't, some changes just won't be there. And no warning or anything before commiting. It even makes you think it was done since it composes the message that the particular commit was included.

You cannot just miss things with Tortoise(Git). If only it could be taught to update svn:mergeinfo property on SVN properly. But it's broken for some cases, so can't use Git for merges directly. Maybe by doing merge with Git and copying files over to the repo folder checked out with SVN, but then you're back at the clunkiness. Bleh, why is SVN still a thing? Considering I'm one of the few normal people at that rotten company, it doesn't look like it's going anywhere until old generations die out. :roll: But considering the way younger generations today are...

On normal, so OK, one internal tool is screwed up and doesn't put out nicely formatted files. Is it so hard to make few clicks before commiting instead of committing the unreadable mess?]]> <![CDATA[General Chat :: Then dust yourself off and try again :: Reply by Duke]]> 2026-04-17T08:52:10+00:00 2026-04-17T08:52:10+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=609&p=8821#p8821
UCyborg wrote: ↑17 Apr 2026, 07:25 Pretty sure I saw some posts here that aren't there anymore. I hope it's not another case of censorship. Feels like no matter where you go, there is censorship.
xperceniol_sal has deleted several of his own posts for some reason.
IMO users shouldn't be able to edit/delete their posts after 24 hours to avoid butchering threads like it just happened :evil:]]>
UCyborg wrote: ↑17 Apr 2026, 07:25 Pretty sure I saw some posts here that aren't there anymore. I hope it's not another case of censorship. Feels like no matter where you go, there is censorship.
xperceniol_sal has deleted several of his own posts for some reason.
IMO users shouldn't be able to edit/delete their posts after 24 hours to avoid butchering threads like it just happened :evil:]]> <![CDATA[General Chat :: Then dust yourself off and try again :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-17T11:41:54+00:00 2026-04-17T12:31:16+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=609&p=8824#p8824
UCyborg wrote: ↑17 Apr 2026, 07:25 You could win the lottery and still be a slave.
I knew a lottery winner in the late 90s.
Family of 3. Single mom plus two kids.
A welfare family, mom would never "elevate her status" because she did not want to lose her food stamps!

I never knew the story about their dad other than they all called him a "deadbeat".
Mom won *MILLIONS* (plural!) and split it equally with her two kids.
I worked with both of the kids, one was older than me and the other was younger than me.
Oldest [living on his own] was 22/23 at the time, youngest [still living with mom] (my girlfriend's best friend) was 18/19 at the time.

First thing the oldest did was buy a "monster truck", a huge gigantic truck with tires as high as my stomach.
Both him and his sister continued working and I worked with them both for another six months or so.
They did finally leave their job, but only on account of TERRIBLE work ethics and both were FIRED.

They kept up with many of us throughout the years.
Always throwing big parties for those that were friends before they 'hit it big'.
So I literally watched them live from "rags to riches", as the saying goes.

*MILLIONS* !!! PLURAL !!!

BOTH of the two kids were BANKRUPT within a DECADE-AND-A-HALF !!!
BOTH of the two kids were HOMELESS, cars repossessed, and living on food stamps by the Covid Years.


Point is, if you don't know how to handle money before winning the lottery, you don't learn to handle money just because you win the lottery.
Sometimes in life, like it or not, a "loser is a loser", regardless of "winning" the lottery.]]>
UCyborg wrote: ↑17 Apr 2026, 07:25 You could win the lottery and still be a slave.
I knew a lottery winner in the late 90s.
Family of 3. Single mom plus two kids.
A welfare family, mom would never "elevate her status" because she did not want to lose her food stamps!

I never knew the story about their dad other than they all called him a "deadbeat".
Mom won *MILLIONS* (plural!) and split it equally with her two kids.
I worked with both of the kids, one was older than me and the other was younger than me.
Oldest [living on his own] was 22/23 at the time, youngest [still living with mom] (my girlfriend's best friend) was 18/19 at the time.

First thing the oldest did was buy a "monster truck", a huge gigantic truck with tires as high as my stomach.
Both him and his sister continued working and I worked with them both for another six months or so.
They did finally leave their job, but only on account of TERRIBLE work ethics and both were FIRED.

They kept up with many of us throughout the years.
Always throwing big parties for those that were friends before they 'hit it big'.
So I literally watched them live from "rags to riches", as the saying goes.

*MILLIONS* !!! PLURAL !!!

BOTH of the two kids were BANKRUPT within a DECADE-AND-A-HALF !!!
BOTH of the two kids were HOMELESS, cars repossessed, and living on food stamps by the Covid Years.


Point is, if you don't know how to handle money before winning the lottery, you don't learn to handle money just because you win the lottery.
Sometimes in life, like it or not, a "loser is a loser", regardless of "winning" the lottery.]]> <![CDATA[General Chat :: Then dust yourself off and try again :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-17T11:43:59+00:00 2026-04-17T11:43:59+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=609&p=8825#p8825
Duke wrote: ↑17 Apr 2026, 08:52
UCyborg wrote: ↑17 Apr 2026, 07:25 Pretty sure I saw some posts here that aren't there anymore. I hope it's not another case of censorship. Feels like no matter where you go, there is censorship.
xperceniol_sal has deleted several of his own posts for some reason.
IMO users shouldn't be able to edit/delete their posts after 24 hours to avoid butchering threads like it just happened :evil:
That may be true in THIS CASE.
But I know for a FACT that "OT" discussions [that likely go against admin "politics" (my opinion, no proof)] have been deleted.
I myself had a 2hr research-session involving crime rates and political voting patterns of large population cities DELETED.
Deleted instead of moved. Yeah, that's a case of censorchip. But it "is what it is". It was "OT".

"Is what it is." "Id quod est." "Sic est."]]>
Duke wrote: ↑17 Apr 2026, 08:52
UCyborg wrote: ↑17 Apr 2026, 07:25 Pretty sure I saw some posts here that aren't there anymore. I hope it's not another case of censorship. Feels like no matter where you go, there is censorship.
xperceniol_sal has deleted several of his own posts for some reason.
IMO users shouldn't be able to edit/delete their posts after 24 hours to avoid butchering threads like it just happened :evil:
That may be true in THIS CASE.
But I know for a FACT that "OT" discussions [that likely go against admin "politics" (my opinion, no proof)] have been deleted.
I myself had a 2hr research-session involving crime rates and political voting patterns of large population cities DELETED.
Deleted instead of moved. Yeah, that's a case of censorchip. But it "is what it is". It was "OT".

"Is what it is." "Id quod est." "Sic est."]]> <![CDATA[General Chat :: Then dust yourself off and try again :: Reply by xperceniol_sal]]> 2026-04-17T17:51:34+00:00 2026-04-17T17:51:34+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=609&p=8828#p8828 <![CDATA[General Chat :: Then dust yourself off and try again :: Reply by UCyborg]]> 2026-04-17T20:34:51+00:00 2026-04-17T20:34:51+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=609&p=8830#p8830
Jackpot, that'd be something. How do you just run out of money with those sums?

Not that I'll ever have to worry about that, I'm nothing (not even human) and have (almost) nothing. But what if...]]>
Jackpot, that'd be something. How do you just run out of money with those sums?

Not that I'll ever have to worry about that, I'm nothing (not even human) and have (almost) nothing. But what if...]]> <![CDATA[General Chat :: Then dust yourself off and try again :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-17T21:10:55+00:00 2026-04-17T21:10:55+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=609&p=8831#p8831
UCyborg wrote: ↑17 Apr 2026, 20:34 Jackpot, that'd be something. How do you just run out of money with those sums?
Happens to EVERY walk of life.
If you don't know how to handle money, you won't miraculously learn just by getting money.
Whether we all like it or not, where you are in life at age 25 to 28 or so pretty much DEFINES your ENTIRE existence.

I like to think that "rehab" works. But my cousin is a probation officer. It does NOT work WAY more often than it does work.

If you don't know how to manage debt (and savings) at a young age, you won't know how to manage it later in life.
Sad, I suppose. But generally true.

Exceptions to every rule, of course.

But h#ll yeah, millionaires go bankrupt all the time.
MC Hammer
Mike Tyson
Michael Jackson
Toni Braxton
Kim Basinger
Cyndi Lauper
Burt Reynolds
Gary Coleman

If you don't know how to handle money, the simple notion of "having" money does not change that.]]>
UCyborg wrote: ↑17 Apr 2026, 20:34 Jackpot, that'd be something. How do you just run out of money with those sums?
Happens to EVERY walk of life.
If you don't know how to handle money, you won't miraculously learn just by getting money.
Whether we all like it or not, where you are in life at age 25 to 28 or so pretty much DEFINES your ENTIRE existence.

I like to think that "rehab" works. But my cousin is a probation officer. It does NOT work WAY more often than it does work.

If you don't know how to manage debt (and savings) at a young age, you won't know how to manage it later in life.
Sad, I suppose. But generally true.

Exceptions to every rule, of course.

But h#ll yeah, millionaires go bankrupt all the time.
MC Hammer
Mike Tyson
Michael Jackson
Toni Braxton
Kim Basinger
Cyndi Lauper
Burt Reynolds
Gary Coleman

If you don't know how to handle money, the simple notion of "having" money does not change that.]]> <![CDATA[General Chat :: Then dust yourself off and try again :: Reply by UCyborg]]> 2026-04-17T22:27:56+00:00 2026-04-17T22:27:56+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=609&p=8833#p8833
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑17 Apr 2026, 21:10 Whether we all like it or not, where you are in life at age 25 to 28 or so pretty much DEFINES your ENTIRE existence.
I feel that.

Just the money thing is a bit of alien in my context considering I'm not much of a spender. Though I'm aware of the phenomenon how some hit it big then spend every last cent.]]>
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑17 Apr 2026, 21:10 Whether we all like it or not, where you are in life at age 25 to 28 or so pretty much DEFINES your ENTIRE existence.
I feel that.

Just the money thing is a bit of alien in my context considering I'm not much of a spender. Though I'm aware of the phenomenon how some hit it big then spend every last cent.]]> <![CDATA[General Chat :: Then dust yourself off and try again :: Reply by UCyborg]]> 2026-04-25T16:51:24+00:00 2026-04-25T16:51:24+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=609&p=8928#p8928
You people don't get tired of web browsers?]]>
You people don't get tired of web browsers?]]> <![CDATA[General Chat :: Then dust yourself off and try again :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-26T01:02:40+00:00 2026-04-26T01:02:40+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=609&p=8930#p8930
UCyborg wrote: ↑25 Apr 2026, 16:51 You people don't get tired of web browsers?
I get tired of 'em.
I only use/test them inside VMs.

UCyborg wrote: ↑25 Apr 2026, 16:51 This place is indeed MSFN #2.
I agree.
Only difference is one site is "all XP" users (with a few Vista folks) and the other site is "all 7" users.]]>
UCyborg wrote: ↑25 Apr 2026, 16:51 You people don't get tired of web browsers?
I get tired of 'em.
I only use/test them inside VMs.

UCyborg wrote: ↑25 Apr 2026, 16:51 This place is indeed MSFN #2.
I agree.
Only difference is one site is "all XP" users (with a few Vista folks) and the other site is "all 7" users.]]> <![CDATA[General Chat :: Then dust yourself off and try again :: Reply by UCyborg]]> 2026-04-26T11:30:38+00:00 2026-04-26T11:30:38+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=609&p=8931#p8931 <![CDATA[General Chat :: Then dust yourself off and try again :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-26T11:40:17+00:00 2026-04-26T11:40:17+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=609&p=8932#p8932
UCyborg wrote: ↑26 Apr 2026, 11:30 Of course, the exiled operating systems, the never-ending topic, so boring.
Agreed! It's personally quite SAD and ANNOYING and INFURIATING how it seems that there is NO SUCH THING as a "technical forum" these days that doesn't focus ENTIRELY, and I mean **ENTIRELY** on prolonging the life of outdated OS's *but* topics entailing how to get Win10 (which in itself is 'kind of' an OUTDATED OS) working BETTER than those POS OS's land flat on their F'in Face, zero interest, the ONLY interest that ever gains any shred of traction is SLOW-AS-SH#T web browsers that focus on XP or 7 !!! !!! !!!

"To each their own", I suppose.]]>
UCyborg wrote: ↑26 Apr 2026, 11:30 Of course, the exiled operating systems, the never-ending topic, so boring.
Agreed! It's personally quite SAD and ANNOYING and INFURIATING how it seems that there is NO SUCH THING as a "technical forum" these days that doesn't focus ENTIRELY, and I mean **ENTIRELY** on prolonging the life of outdated OS's *but* topics entailing how to get Win10 (which in itself is 'kind of' an OUTDATED OS) working BETTER than those POS OS's land flat on their F'in Face, zero interest, the ONLY interest that ever gains any shred of traction is SLOW-AS-SH#T web browsers that focus on XP or 7 !!! !!! !!!

"To each their own", I suppose.]]> <![CDATA[General Chat :: Then dust yourself off and try again :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-26T11:48:22+00:00 2026-04-26T11:48:22+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=609&p=8933#p8933 It's a fine line, I get it, replacing a computer that "works" can be a bit "wasteful" in our "throwaway society".
But just because that line is "fine", there is a clear and precise definition of STEPPING OVER THAT LINE.

I will submit that we MIGHT be in a gray area.
By that, F&CK XP !!! But sure, let's extend 7 for a LITTLE while. SIX MORE MONTHS. **TOPS** !! !! !!]]> It's a fine line, I get it, replacing a computer that "works" can be a bit "wasteful" in our "throwaway society".
But just because that line is "fine", there is a clear and precise definition of STEPPING OVER THAT LINE.

I will submit that we MIGHT be in a gray area.
By that, F&CK XP !!! But sure, let's extend 7 for a LITTLE while. SIX MORE MONTHS. **TOPS** !! !! !!]]> <![CDATA[General Chat :: Then dust yourself off and try again :: Reply by Duke]]> 2026-04-26T16:25:43+00:00 2026-04-26T16:25:43+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=609&p=8935#p8935
UCyborg wrote: ↑25 Apr 2026, 16:51 You people don't get tired of web browsers?
The internet without a web browser ? :think:

The-10-Pen wrote: ↑26 Apr 2026, 01:02 the other site is "all 7" users.
And some Windows 8.1 and even Windows 10 users like you and me ;)]]>
UCyborg wrote: ↑25 Apr 2026, 16:51 You people don't get tired of web browsers?
The internet without a web browser ? :think:

The-10-Pen wrote: ↑26 Apr 2026, 01:02 the other site is "all 7" users.
And some Windows 8.1 and even Windows 10 users like you and me ;)]]> <![CDATA[General Chat :: Then dust yourself off and try again :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-26T18:24:09+00:00 2026-04-26T18:24:09+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=609&p=8936#p8936
Duke wrote: ↑26 Apr 2026, 16:25 and even Windows 10 users like you and me ;)
My PRIMARY PREMISE REMAINS...

This web site would NOT exist if it weren't for the "endeavor" of web browsing on Vista and 7.

My view, against the very existence of that "endeavor" - Some OS's just need to DIE ALREADY :mrgreen:]]>
Duke wrote: ↑26 Apr 2026, 16:25 and even Windows 10 users like you and me ;)
My PRIMARY PREMISE REMAINS...

This web site would NOT exist if it weren't for the "endeavor" of web browsing on Vista and 7.

My view, against the very existence of that "endeavor" - Some OS's just need to DIE ALREADY :mrgreen:]]> <![CDATA[General Chat :: Then dust yourself off and try again :: Reply by Duke]]> 2026-04-27T13:24:33+00:00 2026-04-27T13:24:33+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=609&p=8938#p8938 YES SIR! 😜]]> YES SIR! 😜]]> <![CDATA[General Chat :: Then dust yourself off and try again :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-27T14:52:09+00:00 2026-04-27T14:52:09+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=609&p=8939#p8939 The reply box dropdown is so easy to use, it would be a waste to not use it.]]> The reply box dropdown is so easy to use, it would be a waste to not use it.]]> <![CDATA[General Chat :: Then dust yourself off and try again :: Reply by UCyborg]]> 2026-04-27T17:27:00+00:00 2026-04-27T17:27:00+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=609&p=8944#p8944 this interrogation video regarding existence in this reality in general.
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑26 Apr 2026, 11:40 Agreed! It's personally quite SAD and ANNOYING and INFURIATING how it seems that there is NO SUCH THING as a "technical forum" these days that doesn't focus ENTIRELY, and I mean **ENTIRELY** on prolonging the life of outdated OS's *but* topics entailing how to get Win10 (which in itself is 'kind of' an OUTDATED OS) working BETTER than those POS OS's land flat on their F'in Face, zero interest, the ONLY interest that ever gains any shred of traction is SLOW-AS-SH#T web browsers that focus on XP or 7 !!! !!! !!!

"To each their own", I suppose.
And don't dare to point out how slow these browsers are.

What about elevenforum or tenforums, though?
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑26 Apr 2026, 11:48 And yeah, I too was an ENABLER of this "annoyance" by my tweaking/modding of 360Chrome for XP.
Funny how repacks of this browser stopped appearing as soon as Chinese dropped XP.]]> this interrogation video regarding existence in this reality in general.
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑26 Apr 2026, 11:40 Agreed! It's personally quite SAD and ANNOYING and INFURIATING how it seems that there is NO SUCH THING as a "technical forum" these days that doesn't focus ENTIRELY, and I mean **ENTIRELY** on prolonging the life of outdated OS's *but* topics entailing how to get Win10 (which in itself is 'kind of' an OUTDATED OS) working BETTER than those POS OS's land flat on their F'in Face, zero interest, the ONLY interest that ever gains any shred of traction is SLOW-AS-SH#T web browsers that focus on XP or 7 !!! !!! !!!

"To each their own", I suppose.
And don't dare to point out how slow these browsers are.

What about elevenforum or tenforums, though?
The-10-Pen wrote: ↑26 Apr 2026, 11:48 And yeah, I too was an ENABLER of this "annoyance" by my tweaking/modding of 360Chrome for XP.
Funny how repacks of this browser stopped appearing as soon as Chinese dropped XP.]]> <![CDATA[General Chat :: Then dust yourself off and try again :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-04-27T18:28:09+00:00 2026-04-27T18:28:09+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=609&p=8945#p8945 <![CDATA[General Chat :: Then dust yourself off and try again :: Reply by UCyborg]]> 2026-05-01T10:28:12+00:00 2026-05-01T10:28:12+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=609&p=8978#p8978
https://360fans.pages.dev/]]>
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UCyborg wrote: ↑01 May 2026, 10:28 https://360fans.pages.dev/
That branch has existed for a very long time.
It was a branch that was "of no use" to MSFN Members because this branch requires Win7+, requires x64 over x86, and requires "kernel crap".
I was on XP x64 but I *refuse* to use "kernel crap", I have tried them and they always caused WAY more harm than good.
To each their own, of course, but you can't PAY me to use "kernel crap". To each their own.]]>
UCyborg wrote: ↑01 May 2026, 10:28 https://360fans.pages.dev/
That branch has existed for a very long time.
It was a branch that was "of no use" to MSFN Members because this branch requires Win7+, requires x64 over x86, and requires "kernel crap".
I was on XP x64 but I *refuse* to use "kernel crap", I have tried them and they always caused WAY more harm than good.
To each their own, of course, but you can't PAY me to use "kernel crap". To each their own.]]> <![CDATA[General Chat :: Then dust yourself off and try again :: Reply by UCyborg]]> 2026-05-03T07:30:45+00:00 2026-05-03T07:30:45+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=609&p=8987#p8987
But at the end, it's just another Chromium, which I find more fitting for the phones than computers.

I left XP when Win7 was in beta. Honestly, Win11 is the first one I find seriously problematic that doesn't seem to improve with time. Not sure what the future holds.]]>
But at the end, it's just another Chromium, which I find more fitting for the phones than computers.

I left XP when Win7 was in beta. Honestly, Win11 is the first one I find seriously problematic that doesn't seem to improve with time. Not sure what the future holds.]]> <![CDATA[General Chat :: Then dust yourself off and try again :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-05-03T09:17:04+00:00 2026-05-03T09:17:04+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=609&p=8988#p8988
XP was *very* bloated! Required the end-user to debloat!
Introduced the world to things like NLite, slipstreaming, CCleaner, SlimCleaner, Revo Uninstaller, etc etc etc.
XP was filled with so much CRAP that it brought about the very existence of the "industry" of cleaners, uninstallers, and "tuning".

Vista took the CRAP to a whole new level!
Sidebar widgets and aero! What a bunch of idiotic "feature creep" that the public "bought into" and only has themselves to blame!
I'm not a "gamer", but seriously, the REASON that XP took forever to DIE ALREADY was the "gaming community".
No "gamer" would ever play a game on Vista if they could use XP instead.
But enter again the industry of cleaners, uninstallers, and tuning.
Eventually, those gamers turned to Vista for their gaming, but only on tweaked systems.

Same goes for 7.

10 was just ANOTHER hook-line-and-sinker *bait-and-switch* (ie, users sued Microsoft over "Vista Capable" tactics still present in 10 and 11).

Same goes for 11.

It all really does boil down to this - "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."]]>
XP was *very* bloated! Required the end-user to debloat!
Introduced the world to things like NLite, slipstreaming, CCleaner, SlimCleaner, Revo Uninstaller, etc etc etc.
XP was filled with so much CRAP that it brought about the very existence of the "industry" of cleaners, uninstallers, and "tuning".

Vista took the CRAP to a whole new level!
Sidebar widgets and aero! What a bunch of idiotic "feature creep" that the public "bought into" and only has themselves to blame!
I'm not a "gamer", but seriously, the REASON that XP took forever to DIE ALREADY was the "gaming community".
No "gamer" would ever play a game on Vista if they could use XP instead.
But enter again the industry of cleaners, uninstallers, and tuning.
Eventually, those gamers turned to Vista for their gaming, but only on tweaked systems.

Same goes for 7.

10 was just ANOTHER hook-line-and-sinker *bait-and-switch* (ie, users sued Microsoft over "Vista Capable" tactics still present in 10 and 11).

Same goes for 11.

It all really does boil down to this - "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."]]> <![CDATA[General Chat :: Then dust yourself off and try again :: Reply by UCyborg]]> 2026-05-03T16:19:03+00:00 2026-05-03T16:19:03+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=609&p=8989#p8989
Tuners and such were snake oil to me. I think the issue with Vista were early WDDM drivers. I only had poor NV GeForce4 MX 440 at time, which only took XPDDM drivers anyway. Games felt about the same as on XP.

Though it was kinda pointless besides looking pretty. Not as pretty as intended, but still.]]>
Tuners and such were snake oil to me. I think the issue with Vista were early WDDM drivers. I only had poor NV GeForce4 MX 440 at time, which only took XPDDM drivers anyway. Games felt about the same as on XP.

Though it was kinda pointless besides looking pretty. Not as pretty as intended, but still.]]> <![CDATA[General Chat :: Then dust yourself off and try again :: Reply by The-10-Pen]]> 2026-05-03T17:23:36+00:00 2026-05-03T17:23:36+00:00 https://board.eclipse.cx/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=609&p=8990#p8990 CPUs get faster and faster, core counts increase, thread counts increase.

An XP-correct CPU is way slower than an 11-correct CPU.
If the blue line is CPU speed, the yellow line is a bogged down bloated OS, the red line is a tweaked and debloated OS.

The margin between the red and blue and the margin between the blue and yellow is three times larger for 11 as it was for XP.
Okay, not the best way to "paint this picture", but I think you get the idea.

ie, 11's CPU can do so much MORE and that is *WHY* the manufacturers USE more of that margin for CRAP like AI and "background processes".
Bog that CPU down HEAVILY and it still has the "available reserves" to DO MORE than the CPU of the XP-machine it replaced. :)

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An XP-correct CPU is way slower than an 11-correct CPU.
If the blue line is CPU speed, the yellow line is a bogged down bloated OS, the red line is a tweaked and debloated OS.

The margin between the red and blue and the margin between the blue and yellow is three times larger for 11 as it was for XP.
Okay, not the best way to "paint this picture", but I think you get the idea.

ie, 11's CPU can do so much MORE and that is *WHY* the manufacturers USE more of that margin for CRAP like AI and "background processes".
Bog that CPU down HEAVILY and it still has the "available reserves" to DO MORE than the CPU of the XP-machine it replaced. :)

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