Forced Upgrades & Microsoft Coercion: How it becomes a battle

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(originally written 6/17/2016, by yours truly)

Even beyond KB3035583 GWX, which I found slipped through the cracks of WU a few times, but wasn't currently installed on this PC (consider the hidden updates), I found this yesterday on my laptop...

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Yes, that's right. Windows 10 was listed as 'Important.' Another "mistake" by MS, or are they becoming more and more desperate? I read, upgrades to 10 only went up by 1.2% in April, and they are at 30% of their goal of said upgrades. Does this mean they could possibly extend the "free upgrade" for another 6, or 12 months? Yes, possibly.

I know I wouldn't pay a cent for Win 10. I won't take it for free. But yet, they persist, and it's not working. Or is it? Has MS reached another all-time low? I believe so, with this one.

Here is a current list of updates I check for and uninstall if they've found their way onto any machine. Note, that some of these 'Recommended' updates will require other 'Recommended' (Windows 7/8.1 data tracing/Win 10 compatibility/Telemetry) updates to be installed first before they appear in any given WU. Additionally, removal of any listed updates won't necessarily make your PC immune to the download and installation of Win 10. Read the end paragraph for other possibilities to obscure the upgrade.

They are as follows:

WIN 7

• KB2882822
• KB2990214
• KB2952664
• KB3021917
• KB3022345 (replaced by KB3068708, but both may exist)
• KB3035583
• KB3075249
• KB3080149
• KB3083324
• KB3123862
• KB3139929
• KB3150513

WIN 8.1

• KB2976978
• KB3022345
• KB3035583 (or KB3072318)
• KB3044374 (or KB3075853)
• KB3068708
• KB3076249
• KB3080149
• KB3150513

These are specific, but not limited to each OS version.

I would go on further to registry hacks & mods, but that's not exactly pertinent here. Said hacks/mods are easy to google. I would further suggest implementing or updating current Policies (GPo's), especially since Win 10 is not in the interest of most businesses and can be very problematic.

EDIT: Here's a link to read further into the coercion. Not a long article, but to the point...
https://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/GWX-Get-Windows-10
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Didn't they start sneaking that shit into critical security patches at some point after 2016?

Also, worth pointing out from the rant thread, Vista SP2's WU broke due to deliberate breakage on MS end in July 2015, they basically rendered the WU cabinet useless without manually installed speedup patches every Patch Tuesday until EOL to throttle CPU performance on older processors, trying to make less technical people go "my PC is fucked, must buy a new one with 10".

Scummy bunch of cunts.

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Kouto wrote: 22 May 2021, 05:49 Didn't they start sneaking that shit into critical security patches at some point after 2016?
I believe so. It's when MS got desperate that they were not meeting their quota of expected "free upgrades". When Win 95 was released, copies flew of store shelves. Those bastards knew the times were different in the era of digital download and took whatever means necessary to make sure it (10) ended up on your PC, provided it passed the requirements test. That said, The upgrade advisor would run in the background without you knowing, and if the KB was installed to the machine, thus giving the user the feel the PC was running slow and possibly obsolete. Yes, it would take a lot of resources away, and your average user wouldn't have a clue what was really going on.
Kouto wrote: 22 May 2021, 05:49 Also, worth pointing out from the rant thread, Vista SP2's WU broke due to deliberate breakage on MS end in July 2015, they basically rendered the WU cabinet useless without manually installed speedup patches every Patch Tuesday until EOL to throttle CPU performance on older processors, trying to make less technical people go "my PC is fucked, must buy a new one with 10".

Scummy bunch of cunts.
I had completely forgotten about this aspect, and it's true. It was deliberate breakage. Good memory. And it wasn't until Win 7 neared EOL that MS decided to update the WU servicing stack, on a few separate occasions , knowing damn well there were issues with it all along. This was also intentional, to deceive users into thinking there was something wrong with their PC and its update tools. Boo!
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Yeah - I mainly remember the whole fiasco because I remember my sister's old Toshiba Satellite C660-2E2 basically becoming useless under Win10 to the point I burned a Win7 SP1 disc and found all the drivers for her in late 2016, as well as me joining VistaX64 forums about a week or two before W10 came out, so I kept up with that 300 page long thread about the topic from July 2015, heh.

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One thing I can say is as far as length of support goes, many companies are the same way, so I wouldn't put all the blame on Microsoft.

Consumer builds (Home, Pro) of Win10 get 18 months of support, so 1.5 years.
Enterprise builds (Ent, Edu) of Win10 get 30 months of support (xxH2 releases), so around 2.5 years. An extra year of support.
LTSC/Srv builds (Srv, EntLTSx) of Win10 get 10 years prior to the LTSC 2022 release. LTSC 2022 + Srv 2022 only get 5.
Currently, it is:
1909 (Ent, Edu): May 2022
2004: Dec 2021
20H2: May 2022, May 2023 (Ent,Edu)
21H1: Dec 2022

in Linux world with Ubuntu, it goes:
Regular (Non LTS) get 9 months, so a little under a year.
LTS releases get 5 years of support, then 5 years of paid ESM.
Currently, it is:
14.04 LTS (ESM): April 2022
16.04 LTS (ESM): April 2024
18.04 LTS: April 2023, (ESM): April 2028
20.04 LTS: April 2025, (ESM): April 2030
20.10: July 2021
21.04: January 2022

in macOS world,
Every release of macOS is supported for 3 years after its release date.
Currently, it is:
macOS Mojave: Sometime in 2021
macOS Catalina: Sometime in 2022
macOS Big Sur: Sometime in 2023

So in fact, Microsoft is one of the longest supporting vendors out there right now, right behind being Apple then Ubuntu. As far as LTSC goes, Microsoft wins 100% of that for LTSC 2019, supported until 2029.

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If you want to see long support periods, check out Solaris. That will best even MS by a longshot.

But all I see is MS deteriorating, but not as bad as the competition. No desire to improve.

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Sorry for my inactivity, technically you can disable updates from this video:



By deletion of the service, it tricks Windows Updates that the OS is under SHA-1 and not SHA-2 but keep in mind you should export the registry key and back it up just incase.
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In WIN 7, It was mainly when Microsoft began the "Monthly Rollup" program in WU and discontinued individual update content normally seen on patch Tuesday. Sure, they let you preview the "Rollup" in most cases, but then you'd have to go to the trouble of deciphering the entire thing on the MS support website, if you knew what was good for you. In either case, you had to sort the good from the bad, and finally download each update independently and install. Persons like I in the IT field, at the time, had our shields up for very good reason. Wow, times haven't changed at all. Fortunately, all of those KB updates were easily available on the MS Support website at the time, and still available on the MS download site if you know what you're looking for.
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The main issue about forced upgrades is that when you try to escape, you can't.

Disabling updates on 10 just make you stuck in a weird place, because so many versions are released so often that you are bound to find .NET leaving you, and some programs just stop working over time.

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Yes, compatibility will be lost so fast you wouldn't be able to see it. At best it will last about 2 years like 1809 and 1909 did but that's probably with caution.

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Comfortably, you can use 1809, 1903, 1909, 2004, 20H2. 1803 and older are getting sketchy, since .NET 4.8 is not included and devs are soon to move over to .NET 5.0 I would assume. Many programs are already .NET 4.7.2 required, meaning you can't use 1507 or 1511. 1607+ supports .NET 4.8, which is nice.

I've tried every version, and the first version to actually run smooth without incompatibilities was 1809, the best experience so far being 1903/1909.

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As well as that, there is no point in using an older version of 10. They are all the same, anyway.

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