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It's not that "simplistic".
I can do video streaming "overload" with Chrome/Chromium that buckles **EVERYTHING** Mozilla-based to the ground !!!
I used to be a "proud" user of Firefox, during the "Death to IE" era in internetting history.
For what I use my browsers for, Mozilla-based really is just TERRIBLE, absolutely TERRIBLE.

I continue to root for their success, I REALLY DO !!!
Their market share is atrocious. Once all of "Commodore / Atari / Amiga" generation die out, so will Firefox if they don't do something SERIOUS about trying to catch up with Chrome.
This isn't the 90s anymore, no government agency, be it US or EU, is going to break up Google like they did IE.

If we want Firefox to succeed, they need to ditch the boat anchor operating systems that "nobody uses" but us Old Farts.

The-10-Pen wrote: *

18 Jul 2026, 20:44

If we want Firefox to succeed, they need to ditch the boat anchor operating systems that "nobody uses" but us Old Farts.

Something you may have not understood: there is NO development on Firefox 115 ESR anymore, it's only getting security patches.
The development and improvements are done only on the latest version of Firefox, v152 as of today, v153 on the 21st of July.

Mypal is slow and I guess I don't care either. I do sometimes use Lun3r and Hydra but they are quite outdated now and I think I might be one of few actually even that know about those. I understand K4sum1 is busy with other projects but I also don't mind if a page is displayed in 3 or 4 seconds - gives me time to think. Streaming can sometimes be spotty so I turn to Linux and use FF or Chrome if I need to.

Duke wrote: *

18 Jul 2026, 22:44

Something you may have not understood: there is NO development on Firefox 115 ESR anymore, it's only getting security patches.
The development and improvements are done only on the latest version of Firefox, v152 as of today, v153 on the 21st of July.

I disagree !!!
Developing/testing/implementing the 115ESR and the 140ESR patches takes time away from allocating resources to "catching up with Chrome".
We are from the same "generation", whether you see it or not, FIrefox will cease to exist when our generation fades into the sunset.
It really is TERRIBLE at implementing anything remotely "modern".
It's not about loading a web page a second or two faster, that's just burying one's head in the sand.
At any given moment at work, I may have to have a dozen web-based tools spanning multiple screens.
It's not about reading an Eclipse board on one browser versus another.

I was once a very proud "Nothing but Fox" type of internet user.
My own "backwards logic" tied me to Firefox WAY TOO LONG.
It's like driving four-cylinder cars for 30yrs and never knowing V8s even existed.

Firefox DYING is *NOT* good "for the internet".
But a tiny 4% market share ain't doing that internet any d@mn bit of good either!

Just a bunch of Old Farts that might as well take the codebase to their graves because the next generation wants NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. Sad... But true...

The-10-Pen wrote: *

18 Jul 2026, 23:20

...never knowing V8s even existed...

<OT> Do you know I have NEVER ridden in a V8 in my entire 54 years. <OT>

Okay, bad example then, lol.
Let's put it this way, not all computer users are the same.
There are different ways of "multi-tasking".
Some of those ways are not truly multi-tasking.
Think of ONE browser window but SIXTEEN **TABS** and the user switching back and forth from one TAB to another.
Most browsers can handle that "type" of multi-tasking with ease.
Background tabs are "suspended" and it's not really true multi-tasking.
It's just a constant switching back and forth from one tab and its task to a different tab and its task.
Both are not technically running "both at the same time".

Now think of a work environment where the computer has FOUR MONITORS.
But we're not talking some 17 to 22 inch monitor, we're talking 32 to 52 inch monitors.
Each monitor divided into four "quadrants".
So instead of thinking of it as four monitors, it's really SIXTEEN MONITORS.
So you don't run ONE browser WINDOW with sixteen TABS - you run SIXTEEN *WINDOWS* all with only ONE TAB each.
And there is no "background" tab being "suspended". ALL SIXTEEN have to perform their tasks, not just "one at a time".

Firefox can't handle this type of activity.
To the point of it being a COMPANY POLICY to not use Firefox during conference calls because it "looks bad for the company" when these conference calls have so many "technical difficulties" because Firefox crashes when Chrome/Edge doesn't even break a sweat.

Hey, I hope for the day that Firefox returns to being a "valid" product instead of just something that OLD FARTS use because it's all they know.

Firefox is DYING. The DEATH of Firefox is NOT good for the internet!
4% market share doesn't solve anything.
The PROBLEM is that the Old Farts still to this day think that it is solving the ills that would arise if a "monopoly" existed.

The PROBLEM is that people still think Firefox is what it was in the 90s.
It isn't. Far from! What the "existence" of Firefox "solved" (anti-trust, browser-choice, etc) in the 90s is NOW solved by **APPLE / Safari **.
Firefox is just a "laughing matter" for Big Decision Makers (HTML/CSS/JS "standards") to OPENLY LAUGH, "Oh, don't worry about that guy sitting in the corner, he's with Mozilla, he's a NOBODY".

Firefox 115.38.0 ESR has been released:
https://download.cdn.mozilla.net/pub/firefox/releases/115.38.0esr/

Release notes:
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/115.38.0/releasenotes/

Many security fixes:
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/security/advisories/mfsa2026-69/