Dactyloidae Browser

Unread post by **wuggy** » 29 Jun 2026, 17:01

Dactyloidae 13.2 will be the first release to support FreeBSD.

Unread post by **wuggy** » 27 Jul 2026, 00:36

https://repo.dactyloidae.xyz/Dactyloidae/UXP/releases/tag/13.2

Dactyloidae 13.2 for Windows 2000 and above and Linux for x86_64 or LoongArch64 is finally here, after 3 months of development

omegabr · Unread post by **omegabr** » 28 Jul 2026, 23:16

wuggy wrote: ↑27 Jul 2026, 00:36 https://repo.dactyloidae.xyz/Dactyloidae/UXP/releases/tag/13.2

Dactyloidae 13.2 for Windows 2000 and above and Linux for x86_64 or LoongArch64 is finally here, after 3 months of development

is it possible to build dactyloidae with gtk2?

Unread post by **wuggy** » 29 Jul 2026, 00:37

omegabr wrote: ↑28 Jul 2026, 23:16
wuggy wrote: ↑27 Jul 2026, 00:36 https://repo.dactyloidae.xyz/Dactyloidae/UXP/releases/tag/13.2

Dactyloidae 13.2 for Windows 2000 and above and Linux for x86_64 or LoongArch64 is finally here, after 3 months of development
is it possible to build dactyloidae with gtk2?

Hasn’t been tested like at all but should work no issues

Unread post by **wuggy** » 29 Jul 2026, 00:39

Oh yeah I’ll need to work on getting optimisations on Linux, it’s a bit bare as of now. 13.2.1 should add GTK2 and optimisations for Linux

omegabr · Unread post by **omegabr** » 29 Jul 2026, 20:19

wuggy wrote: ↑29 Jul 2026, 00:39 Oh yeah I’ll need to work on getting optimisations on Linux, it’s a bit bare as of now. 13.2.1 should add GTK2 and optimisations for Linux

how can i remove or disable the default theme?

Unread post by **wuggy** » 29 Jul 2026, 20:47

omegabr wrote: ↑29 Jul 2026, 20:19
wuggy wrote: ↑29 Jul 2026, 00:39 Oh yeah I’ll need to work on getting optimisations on Linux, it’s a bit bare as of now. 13.2.1 should add GTK2 and optimisations for Linux
how can i remove or disable the default theme?

Uhhhh you don’t as of now, I’m working to add an option to revert back to Basilisk’s default theme

Unread post by **wuggy** » 29 Jul 2026, 21:00

Also, how the hell did you find out about my browser? Genuinely curious as I’ve never seen so many people be so curious about it

omegabr · Unread post by **omegabr** » 30 Jul 2026, 00:30

wuggy wrote: ↑29 Jul 2026, 21:00 Also, how the hell did you find out about my browser? Genuinely curious as I’ve never seen so many people be so curious about it

i remembered lun3r existed and decided to check the forums

Unread post by **wuggy** » 31 Jul 2026, 07:13

My CPU literally cannot handle building two binaries for the same OS arch just because it's GTK2, is there any other solution I can do?

Unread post by **wuggy** » 01 Aug 2026, 01:19

https://repo.dactyloidae.xyz/Dactyloidae/UXP/releases/tag/13.2.1-rc1

13.2.1 rc1 out now with the features I wanted to add for 13.2 but lazy and rushed it

omegabr · Unread post by **omegabr** » 01 Aug 2026, 02:43

wuggy wrote: ↑31 Jul 2026, 07:13 My CPU literally cannot handle building two binaries for the same OS arch just because it's GTK2, is there any other solution I can do?

Maybe build gtk3 first, you could also have the user do the gtk2 build

JodyThornton · Unread post by **JodyThornton** » 14 Aug 2026, 00:48

I see they locked this topic on the Pale Moon Forum. How fast is it with heavier, modern sites? (such as Facebook, YouTube, etc ...)

The-10-Pen · Unread post by **The-10-Pen** » 16 Aug 2026, 16:50

Where to start, where to start? ...

1) accessing this website (and MSFN) both continue to be a PAIN IN THE F&CKING A$$ !!!
2) i was bored so figured i'd give an answer as this has been unanswered for a few days
3) figured i'd use Win7 to test
4) tried a few "tiny7" VMs but none would connect to internet
5) found a "super lite 7" and liking it so far from within VM

6) downloaded and extracted this browser BUT IT DOES NOT WORK "out of the box"
7) had to fetch msvcp140 dll but STILL DID NOT WORK
8) had to fetch vcruntime140 dll but STILL DID NOT WORK
9) had to fetch api-ms-win-crt-runtime-l1-1-0 but STILL DID NOT WORK
10) tried api-ms-win-crt-runtime-l1-1-0 from Official Pale Moon but STILL DID NOT WORK
11) tried api-ms-win-crt-runtime-l1-1-0 from e3k-blah's Firefox but STILL DID NOT WORK

12) tried logging in to Eclipse but WHAT A F&CKING POS this web site has become FOR THE END USER to *ACCESS*
13) i don't care how much of an "opinion" we all have for Cloudflare and Anubis but there comes a point where ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
14) at least people can *ACCESS* sites that are "protected" by Cloudflare and Anubis
15) accessing Eclipse (and MSFN) [both deadset "against" Cloudflare and Anubis] is just plain **IMPOSSIBLE**
16) the end user has to bend over and just take it up the A$$ whenever trying to access Eclipse and MSFN

17) still no clue why Dact-eye-blah WILL NOT WORK on this Win7 (sure, it's a VM and not "real", but SHOULD NOT MATTER)

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The-10-Pen · Unread post by **The-10-Pen** » 16 Aug 2026, 19:01

I can't get this browser to work in Win10 LTSC 21H2 either.
After fetching msvcp140, vcruntime140, and vcruntime140_1, this is the error that Win10 gives.

This Win10 test and the previous Win7 test were both done with the latest version.
I know I had this browser working when using a previous version, unsure which version it was on at the time.

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JodyThornton · Unread post by **JodyThornton** » 17 Aug 2026, 01:12

The first time I tried it (I think it was April) it did work in Windows 8 no problem. It seemed a tad slower. I really liked the MS Edge style appearance. So before installing it again, I thought I'd try seeing what others' opinions were first.

Wuggy responded somewhere (I think it was GitHub) and said that YouTube worked pretty decently on it. Anyway 10-Pen, I appreciate your trying

PS. Yes - Both Eclipse and MSFN are running like sludge. So who needs to make changes here? Redacted?

The-10-Pen · Unread post by **The-10-Pen** » 17 Aug 2026, 08:00

The 13.1 works for me, just not the 13.2.x "release candidate".
I compared YouTube in 13.1 to YouTube in Official Pale Moon and they were basically identical.
Which, to me, means SLOW AS H#LL.
But I have Win10 and I'm not "bogged down" with crap OSs which tie my hands on what browsers I can use.
I really (REALLY!) do not understand the "fascination" with UXP.
Speedometer (I use 2.1) scores really tell a lot. UXP browsers literally score one TENTH that of Chromium.
And the e3k-blah forks work in XP and 7.

Seriously, "riddle me this", why in H#ll do people run UXP ??? ??? ???

The-10-Pen · Unread post by **The-10-Pen** » 17 Aug 2026, 08:19

Dact-eye-blah v13.1 compared directly to e3k-blah on Win10.
Results are basically identical in Win7 (I will gladly screencap as proof if needed).

If there is a *REASON* to run UXP, that is one thing, but if no such reason really exists, then seriously, *wtf* ?!

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The-10-Pen · Unread post by **The-10-Pen** » 17 Aug 2026, 08:57

This is e3k-blah's Firefox compared directly to Dact-eye-blah UXP.

Again, serious question.
If there is a *REASON* to run UXP, let's hear it, otherwise, you only bring about your own pain and suffering by that "limitation".

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Unread post by **wuggy** » 17 Aug 2026, 09:00

The-10-Pen wrote: ↑17 Aug 2026, 08:19 If there is a *REASON* to run UXP, that is one thing, but if no such reason really exists, then seriously, *wtf* ?!

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I'm working on a port to WebKit for Dact 14.0.
The reason why I stuck with UXP was because of the lack of Rust, and I found out WebKit is better in (almost) EVERY WAY. There are still some bugs and lack of features that I need to address.

WebKit is faster then modern Firefox, and is barely behind Chrome.

The other issue I need to address in WebKit is lack of extension support, in which I'll just copy Chrome's implementation for such.

I basically gave up on UXP, and the 13 series will be the last series to be based on UXP.

Unread post by **wuggy** » 17 Aug 2026, 09:05

wuggy wrote: ↑17 Aug 2026, 09:00 I basically gave up on UXP, and the 13 series will be the last series to be based on UXP.

PS.

The UXP team are incredibly toxic, and props to them for basically killing any interest of mine to maintain their shitty engine. I'm basically done trying to fix the thousands of issues they made, and giving ME crap for trying to fix them!

Unread post by **wuggy** » 17 Aug 2026, 09:17

Done trying to pretend everything is sunshine and rainbows over at Pale Moon/Basilisk/Dactyloidae. UXP/Goanna is falling apart by the minute, and Tobin was the one holding it together, and Moonchild doesn't want to admit it.

Since Tobin left, everyone and their grandmother wants to be the next Tobin, when they pretend to make Goanna better, but in reality, they're slowly killing it. I admit I fell into that trap too.

Basilisk-Dev finally admitted something I warned them about for months on end, single process is not enough now, with it's endless freezes, and he decided to vibe-code a Fission clone for UXP. I know how controversial multi-process is, I get it, but you have to accept it at some point. There's no point on board a sinking ship, on fire too because they're at least 3 years behind on web standards (and we're just talking JS!)

I know Dactyloidae was just a bunch of speedhacks on top of a shitty engine, but at least I tried to fix the other major issue in UXP, speed. For around a decade, Pale Moon was easily considered the slowest browser because again, no multiprocessing and Moonchild focusing on anything BUT performance. There only was a sudden change in shift for performance because me and Basilisk-Dev split off into our own fucking tree where we fixed half the problems with UXP in 2 weeks. Moonchild found out, had a child tantrum, Basilisk-Dev then unexpectedly blocked me on Telegram (the main communication platform for our UXP tree) and I got banned roughly a day later.

Was my ban planned by Basilisk-Dev all along? Who fucking knows. Was it all bullshit? Absolutely.

The-10-Pen · Unread post by **The-10-Pen** » 17 Aug 2026, 09:26

That all sounds like GOOD NEWS to me.
I'm not talking about the "community bans", I haven't followed those since the Tobin Departure.
I saw both sides there, and even then it was clear that I was in the MINORITY in thinking TOBIN WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG.

But "in these circles" (MSFN at the time), Tobin was FALSELY thought of as "bad" because everybody (and I do mean *everybody*) was too worried about KISSING ROYTAM'S A$$.

I get it, I really do, I have done my own projects over the years.
But mine have been very limited in comparison to folks like e3k.
I was never going to achieve that "level" of programming skill.
To me, it's just a HOBBY.

But hobby or not, I need a browser that WORKS and logging in to pay utility bills (as an example) shouldn't be a "hobby".

Keep up the great work!
As "negative" as I may come across at times, these projects are a great deal of fun.
But, to me, they are just a HOBBY.

The-10-Pen · Unread post by **The-10-Pen** » 17 Aug 2026, 09:35

ps, my OCD Side is really loving the symmetry of these scores.

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