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Author:	SkyeWeeb [ 15 Jun 2021, 19:15 ]
Post subject:	Windows 11 (build 21996)

What the title says. Discuss the Windows 11 build leak if you have it.

(note: this is only for build 21996, insider builds should go in a new thread)

Author:	lodocus [ 15 Jun 2021, 19:47 ]
Post subject:	Windows 11

New Taskbar, Icons, Rounded edges, some features here and there. Basically Windows 10 but cooler (which, the "cooler" part depends on you)

As a side note, the way Microsoft acknowledging this leak almost makes it intentional.

I'd talk about more stuff but I am beat and lazy as fuck. Hopefully someone else will put everything here in detail.

Author:	LuckyCryWinScenic [ 15 Jun 2021, 23:41 ]
Post subject:	Windows 11

Just a heads up, on my 10 system (running Kaby Lake, and i am away from my 7 machine today due to some fixing), You cannot install it on something like 2GB RAM and older i3/i5/i7 CPUS older than Sandy Bridge (3rd Gen), I got this error today

, i thought it's my VM name that caused it, but i found out it's the RAM or something to do with the i3 CPU being not supported. Proof:

Author:	K4sum1 [ 16 Jun 2021, 00:31 ]
Post subject:	Windows 11

LuckyCryWinScenic wrote: * 15 Jun 2021, 23:41
Just a heads up, on my 10 system (running Kaby Lake, and i am away from my 7 machine today due to some fixing), You cannot install it on something like 2GB RAM and older i3/i5/i7 CPUS older than Sandy Bridge (3rd Gen), I got this error today , i thought it's my VM name that caused it, but i found out it's the RAM or something to do with the i3 CPU being not supported. Proof:

I don't think they'd nuke older CPU compatibility, though 2GB of RAM not being enough sounds reasonable.

Author:	SkyeWeeb [ 16 Jun 2021, 00:49 ]
Post subject:	Windows 11

I might see if it errors out on my C655D since it has 2GB RAM and a shitty CPU. The problem is, my flash drive is too small.

Author:	sunryze [ 16 Jun 2021, 01:56 ]
Post subject:	Windows 11

The incompatibility is due to the TPM module. You can still install it without that, just using DISM.

Anyone else able to get to msfn.org? Seems like their site is down.

Author:	LuckyCryWinScenic [ 16 Jun 2021, 02:43 ]
Post subject:	Windows 11

Tonny52 wrote: * 16 Jun 2021, 01:56
The incompatibility is due to the TPM module. You can still install it without that, just using DISM.

Anyone else able to get to msfn.org? Seems like their site is down.

Are you sure the DISM workaround will work? I will plan to fix it out by tricking the CPU that it's using i7 in the VM's strings

Author:	SkyeWeeb [ 16 Jun 2021, 03:52 ]
Post subject:	Windows 11

So, I guess I'll a few obscure things people might've missed.

The new taskbar does not allow you to unlock, move, resize, decombine icons, or enable labels anymore, but the Windows 10 21H1 explorer can be used to get around that for now.

Forcing the new taskbar to one of the sides puts Explorer in a crash loop.

The old start menu seems to still exist behind a registry key and works exactly how it does under 10.

The System control panel seems to be completely gutted from the OS.

Aerolite still exists and has the rounded corners.

Windows Basic still works, along with Classic using the same methods as Windows 10 and 8.x. The taskbar seems to break more than 10 if DWM is disabled though.

The NT kernel version is still 10.0, despite being Windows 11.

The Triple Decker Clock is only under 96dpi and goes back to a double decker clock if you use a higher DPI.

The setup and recovery options seem to be unchanged from Windows 8.1 other than a few strings and branding bitmaps being changed. Recovery still says it's Windows 10.

Notepad and MS Paint were moved and have a new about box. The old notepad.exe is a stub, and mspaint.exe is gone entirely from system32.

Most of the legacy programs like WMP12 and WordPad are missing from the start menu's all apps and were moved to Administrative Tools, which is called Windows Tools now. They still pop up when you search.

The native Basic theme without modification can STILL be accessed under MSC windows, and uses the Server Core VS if you use Aerolite with it.

For some odd reason, a service can be disabled that stops you from being able to type in the start menu, search box, and Windows Terminal. No clue why.

I know it's possible to get IE11 working again just like the recent Insider builds, but I never figured out how to get it working. Help would be appreciated here.

What do I think personally? Windows 10 with a facelift. A damn good facelift, but I want my customization, speed, and privacy back dammit. Still moving to Linux and staying on 7.

Author:	sunryze [ 16 Jun 2021, 05:36 ]
Post subject:	Windows 11

After playing around with it, this is what I think.

Windows 11 is a combo of macOS and Android. Both of them joined and created some orgy creation.

Everything is just.. BIG. I don't know why. Taskbar, explorer, everything, its just... big. Windows 11 made me feel something about 10. After seeing 11, it made me realize how actually awesome Windows 10 UI is now. I always missed the Windows 7 UI when on 10, but now I really don't want to upgrade to 11 when it releases. UI is WAYY too big and unfinished. I know its not done yet, but this is a horrible first impression.

It's 2012 & 2015 all fucking over again. I am currently on 21H1 and as of right now I will be remaining on Windows 10 to or past its end of life in 2025. Might switch to LTSC by then.

Author:	burd [ 16 Jun 2021, 12:03 ]
Post subject:	Windows 11

Tonny52 wrote: * 16 Jun 2021, 01:56
The incompatibility is due to the TPM module. You can still install it without that, just using DISM.

Anyone else able to get to msfn.org? Seems like their site is down.

yea msfn is down

Author:	Compa [ 16 Jun 2021, 12:56 ]
Post subject:	Windows 11

This was also posted on board32x.

I do like the backgrounds, but it's about nine years too late.

Author:	Moline [ 16 Jun 2021, 14:43 ]
Post subject:	Windows 11

I've got it and tried it. It works great, although its system requirements are a little absured. None of my computers except the one I am using to type this from right now works with Windows 11. I am not in Windows 11 right now, I am in Windows 8.1. I am gonna try and see if WinToUSB will install the Windows 11 build to an external SSD (via USB SATA) and boot it on my HP 15-f233wm (the laptop Windows 11 told me was incompatible).

For quick reference, here are the system requirements for installing on UEFI:

4GB of memory
Secure Boot support
Trusted Platform Module support
52GB or larger disk drive

Also, code from Windows 8 is still present. If you go here, https://www.askvg.com/collection-of-windows-10-hidden-secret-registry-tweaks/ you can find tweaks. Not all of these work, but a few such as the Wi-Fi flyout and the Classic Volume flyout still work. If one opens Explorer and pastes this in: explorer.exe shell:::{05d7b0f4-2121-4eff-bf6b-ed3f69b894d9} you can access Notification Area Icons control panel applet. Also, the old personalization control panel from Windows 8 is still present as well. Enter these commands in Explorer to access the various pages of it.

Personalization: explorer shell:::{ED834ED6-4B5A-4bfe-8F11-A626DCB6A921}

Desktop Background: explorer.exe shell:::{ED834ED6-4B5A-4bfe-8F11-A626DCB6A921} -Microsoft.Personalization\pageWallpaper

Color and appearence: explorer.exe shell:::{ED834ED6-4B5A-4bfe-8F11-A626DCB6A921} -Microsoft.Personalization\pageColorization

Here's a few photos of some of the older stuff.

Author:	sunryze [ 16 Jun 2021, 17:24 ]
Post subject:	Windows 11

It's another XP to Vista situation guys. Many computers still don't have TPM modules and even then many computers still have hard drives and 4GB of ram. Companies will do another "Windows 11 Capabalel!!!!!!11!" when in reality that system is an HP Stream from 2013 with a hard drive, ancient Intel Atom and 4GB of ram and can barely boot Windows 10. To run 11 well, you need a high-end system from 2018 or newer. I will say this as the recommended:

120GB+ of SSD based storage
8GB of DDR3
1366x768 or larger display

Author:	MelonicOverlord [ 16 Jun 2021, 19:43 ]
Post subject:	Windows 11

I'd love to try this but I'm not sure how the hell you set up VMWare and like how easy it is to run

Author:	CalmCreeper360 [ 16 Jun 2021, 20:05 ]
Post subject:	Windows 11

SkyeWeeb wrote: * 16 Jun 2021, 03:52
What do I think personally? Windows 10 with a facelift. A damn good facelift, but I want my customization, speed, and privacy back dammit. Still moving to Linux and staying on 7.

I agree with you on that one

Gonna try out Windows 11 when ive got time on a VM and experience it for myself.
I would have never thought that Microsoft would actually release a Windows 11.
I feel like im in a Comedy film or something

Author:	SkyeWeeb [ 16 Jun 2021, 20:17 ]
Post subject:	Windows 11

Tonny52 wrote: * 16 Jun 2021, 17:24
It's another XP to Vista situation guys. Many computers still don't have TPM modules and even then many computers still have hard drives and 4GB of ram. Companies will do another "Windows 11 Capabalel!!!!!!11!" when in reality that system is an HP Stream from 2013 with a hard drive, ancient Intel Atom and 4GB of ram and can barely boot Windows 10. To run 11 well, you need a high-end system from 2018 or newer. I will say this as the recommended:

120GB+ of SSD based storage
8GB of DDR3
1366x768 or larger display

Windows 10's system requirements were honestly too low. Forcing manufacturers to use better hardware instead of throwing Windows 10 on netbooks with like 2GB RAM, some terrible Celeron processor, and like 30GB storage would make Windows 11 better in general.

Author:	SkyeWeeb [ 16 Jun 2021, 21:53 ]
Post subject:	Windows 11

A feature I said 11 doesn't allow anymore is a small taskbar. I was wrong. This is possible, but only through regedit for now.

Two DWORDs in HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Advanced control it, TaskbarSi and TaskbarSmallIcons. TaskbarSi is not there by default so create it first. TaskbarSi's values are below, and TaskbarSmallIcons is a simple 0 = off, 1 = on.

0 = Small Taskbar
1 = Normal/Default
2 = Large (new)

Here's the results you can have from it.
[ img ]

Author:	sunryze [ 17 Jun 2021, 00:26 ]
Post subject:	Windows 11

SkyeWeeb wrote: * 16 Jun 2021, 20:17

Tonny52 wrote: * 16 Jun 2021, 17:24
It's another XP to Vista situation guys. Many computers still don't have TPM modules and even then many computers still have hard drives and 4GB of ram. Companies will do another "Windows 11 Capabalel!!!!!!11!" when in reality that system is an HP Stream from 2013 with a hard drive, ancient Intel Atom and 4GB of ram and can barely boot Windows 10. To run 11 well, you need a high-end system from 2018 or newer. I will say this as the recommended:

120GB+ of SSD based storage
8GB of DDR3
1366x768 or larger display
Windows 10's system requirements were honestly too low. Forcing manufacturers to use better hardware instead of throwing Windows 10 on netbooks with like 2GB RAM, some terrible Celeron processor, and like 30GB storage would make Windows 11 better in general.

Considering modern browsers, games, and the OS itself, ALL systems nowadays should ship with 12-16 GB as a minimum for RAM, and at least 500GB of NVMe or SATA SSD storage. Recommended should be 16GB or above RAM, 1TB of SSD storage and 1920x1080. Fix the scaling engine too, so people can use 1080p on 13" laptops. Phones are innovating faster than computers are right now, and thats thanks to Microsoft refusing to make their requirements true. Have you seen how much ram the average phone has now? Usually between 6-8GB now for modern ones, and they ship with screens higher quality than most laptops, yet they are more viewable and smaller.

Author:	K4sum1 [ 17 Jun 2021, 01:32 ]
Post subject:	Windows 11

Tonny52 wrote: *   17 Jun 2021, 00:26

SkyeWeeb wrote: *   16 Jun 2021, 20:17

Tonny52 wrote: *   16 Jun 2021, 17:24
It's another XP to Vista situation guys. Many computers still don't have TPM modules and even then many computers still have hard drives and 4GB of ram. Companies will do another "Windows 11 Capabalel!!!!!!11!" when in reality that system is an HP Stream from 2013 with a hard drive, ancient Intel Atom and 4GB of ram and can barely boot Windows 10. To run 11 well, you need a high-end system from 2018 or newer. I will say this as the recommended:

120GB+ of SSD based storage
8GB of DDR3
1366x768 or larger display
Windows 10's system requirements were honestly too low. Forcing manufacturers to use better hardware instead of throwing Windows 10 on netbooks with like 2GB RAM, some terrible Celeron processor, and like 30GB storage would make Windows 11 better in general.
Considering modern browsers, games, and the OS itself, ALL systems nowadays should ship with 12-16 GB as a minimum for RAM, and at least 500GB of NVMe or SATA SSD storage. Recommended should be 16GB or above RAM, 1TB of SSD storage and 1920x1080. Fix the scaling engine too, so people can use 1080p on 13" laptops. Phones are innovating faster than computers are right now, and thats thanks to Microsoft refusing to make their requirements true. Have you seen how much ram the average phone has now? Usually between 6-8GB now for modern ones, and they ship with screens higher quality than most laptops, yet they are more viewable and smaller.

My already 5 year old S7 has a higher resolution than most of my displays. I only have two 1440p monitors that are competent with its resolution, but it can be argued that the S7 is better because AMOLED. It also has 4GB of RAM, which is pretty decent, even today. Though with Android, 2GB of RAM is pretty fine too. Hell, any semi-modern high end phone is pretty nice because software for these devices are still optimized, and not browser based shit, though if it is, it just uses the system webview to load a quick and optimized mobile site.

Honestly we could probably still main Core 2 era processors with 4-8GB of RAM if we had better RAM management and software optimization.

Author:	roytam1 [ 17 Jun 2021, 03:45 ]
Post subject:	Windows 11

burd wrote: * 16 Jun 2021, 12:03

Tonny52 wrote: * 16 Jun 2021, 01:56
The incompatibility is due to the TPM module. You can still install it without that, just using DISM.

Anyone else able to get to msfn.org? Seems like their site is down.
yea msfn is down

people are discussing about that site in ryanvm's forum.

Author:	LuckyCryWinScenic [ 17 Jun 2021, 10:03 ]
Post subject:	Windows 11

roytam1 wrote: *   17 Jun 2021, 03:45

burd wrote: *   16 Jun 2021, 12:03

Tonny52 wrote: *   16 Jun 2021, 01:56
The incompatibility is due to the TPM module. You can still install it without that, just using DISM.

Anyone else able to get to msfn.org? Seems like their site is down.
yea msfn is down
people are discussing about that site in ryanvm's forum.

I also saw a small thread in reboot.pro, look also here:
http://reboot.pro/index.php?s=8950723463e65a9a6a26d5df9056d14e&showtopic=22473

Author:	dastoopidfurrytwo [ 17 Jun 2021, 11:35 ]
Post subject:	Windows 11

LuckyCryWinScenic wrote: *   17 Jun 2021, 10:03

roytam1 wrote: *   17 Jun 2021, 03:45

burd wrote: *   16 Jun 2021, 12:03

yea msfn is down
people are discussing about that site in ryanvm's forum.
I also saw a small thread in reboot.pro, look also here:
http://reboot.pro/index.php?s=8950723463e65a9a6a26d5df9056d14e&showtopic=22473

Got it burning on WIn3x.org too!

Author:	dastoopidfurrytwo [ 17 Jun 2021, 11:46 ]
Post subject:	Windows 11

lodocus wrote: * 15 Jun 2021, 19:47
New Taskbar, Icons, Rounded edges, some features here and there. Basically Windows 10 but cooler (which, the "cooler" part depends on you)

As a side note, the way Microsoft acknowledging this leak almost makes it intentional.

I'd talk about more stuff but I am beat and lazy as fuck. Hopefully someone else will put everything here in detail.

tbh it's just a repeat of the events of Win8, they do say history repeats tho

Author:	SkyeWeeb [ 17 Jun 2021, 12:18 ]
Post subject:	Windows 11

Windows 11 discoveries, Windows 10 Explorer and Start Menu edition.

It mostly works the same as Windows 10's explorer, but here's some things I found while using it under 11.

Win+X and Cortana are completely broken and do not open whatsoever.

You can still unlock the taskbar, resize it, and place it wherever you like. When you restart into 11's Explorer, you will end up in a crashloop if the taskbar is on the sides, but if the taskbar is on top, it works, minus some broken animations.

Windows 10 taskbar sizing does not affect the Windows 11 taskbar.

The Windows 10 Start Menu also relocated the Start Menu folder to another location for most apps, like the 11 Start Menu.

None of the taskbar options in Settings work in Windows 10's Explorer other than autohiding and turning systray icons on or off.

You can also not set the taskbar buttons to "Never combine" as Settings does not change the options for the taskbar.

Small icons can be used if you set ONLY TaskbarSmallIcons to 1. TaskbarSi does not affect 10's explorer.

The Start Menu settings revert to the Windows 10 settings when you enable 10's Start Menu.

Task View and Search remain as their Windows 11 counterparts when using 10's Explorer.

The Windows 10 taskbar context menu works just like it does in native Windows 10, including Toolbars.

Tiling windows side-by-side and stacked via the taskbar context menu is bugged and only displays the windows on the left side of the screen as seen below.

Author:	dastoopidfurrytwo [ 17 Jun 2021, 12:42 ]
Post subject:	Windows 11

SkyeWeeb wrote: * 17 Jun 2021, 12:18
Windows 11 discoveries, Windows 10 Explorer and Start Menu edition.

It mostly works the same as Windows 10's explorer, but here's some things I found while using it under 11.
Win+X and Cortana are completely broken and do not open whatsoever.

You can still unlock the taskbar, resize it, and place it wherever you like. When you restart into 11's Explorer, you will end up in a crashloop if the taskbar is on the sides, but if the taskbar is on top, it works, minus some broken animations.

Windows 10 taskbar sizing does not affect the Windows 11 taskbar.

The Windows 10 Start Menu also relocated the Start Menu folder to another location for most apps, like the 11 Start Menu.

None of the taskbar options in Settings work in Windows 10's Explorer other than autohiding and turning systray icons on or off.

You can also not set the taskbar buttons to "Never combine" as Settings does not change the options for the taskbar.

Small icons can be used if you set ONLY TaskbarSmallIcons to 1. TaskbarSi does not affect 10's explorer.

The Start Menu settings revert to the Windows 10 settings when you enable 10's Start Menu.

Task View and Search remain as their Windows 11 counterparts when using 10's Explorer.

The Windows 10 taskbar context menu works just like it does in native Windows 10, including Toolbars.

Tiling windows side-by-side and stacked via the taskbar context menu is bugged and only displays the windows on the left side of the screen as seen below.

DIdn't know about half of that stuff, wow!

Author:	SkyeWeeb [ 18 Jun 2021, 16:50 ]
Post subject:	Windows 11

Now that Eclipse is back up, I can show this off.

Any window that sets DwmExtendFrameIntoClientArea to -1 will break under Windows 11. That basically is any window that uses Aero glass on the entire window.

Some apps that set this are the Gadget picker, CustomizerGod, and Windows Mobility Center. Under Windows Vista/7, they all use Aero glass transparency through the entire window. Under Windows 8.x and 10, they either had that bug where half of the window got discolored, or it worked fine. Under Windows 11 however, this happens.

[ img ]

The left window here is the Gadget picker from WinAero, which is also the active window, which is why it's blue. Disabling titlebar colors makes it look exactly the same as the right window, which is CustomizerGod. Interestingly, the windows can still be interacted with, but they are completely invisible. Another thing that is interesting is that if you maximize CustomizerGod, it works perfectly fine. Same for the Gadget picker, aside from the blur being gone for some reason. Mobility Center should theoretically work too but the VM does not recognize itself as a laptop, and it does not exist in my copy at all. If anyone knows why this happens, please tell me.

[ img ]

Author:	tyl0413 [ 21 Jun 2021, 01:07 ]
Post subject:	Windows 11

Same old shit rebranded, ain't falling for this scam. Still has ads, still has auto updates, still spies, still trying to take away even more control. Start menu is even more useless than on 10, design more inconsistent than on 10, i tried it and Unreal Tournament 4 didn't run for whatever reason so that's not a good sign for compatibility either, i thought it would be just 10 under the hood but they even managed to fuck that up. Windows is dead to me.

Author:	Moline [ 21 Jun 2021, 01:38 ]
Post subject:	Windows 11

tyl0413 wrote: * 21 Jun 2021, 01:07
Same old shit rebranded, ain't falling for this scam. Still has ads, still has auto updates, still spies, still trying to take away even more control. Start menu is even more useless than on 10, design more inconsistent than on 10, i tried it and Unreal Tournament 4 didn't run for whatever reason so that's not a good sign for compatibility either, i thought it would be just 10 under the hood but they even managed to fuck that up. Windows is dead to me.

Keep in mind that this build is just a beta at this point. When I used it, I did not really experience much in the way of issues, and this is with running the latest office build (for school work), the latest Firefox, and listening to music through Bluetooth. Also, Open-Shell works flawlessly as well, although there is a glitch where the Windows 11 start menu opens up if you don't change the start button to either the Windows 2000 or the Windows 7 one. And even with those, if you click to the edge of the start button, you can still access the 11 start menu as well. Clicking in the center does not trigger this and opens only the classic start menu.

And I also run Windows 11 in a multi-boot with 7, 8.1, and 10, as evidenced in the screenshot below of Computer from Windows 7. Multi-boot works fine, although the boot menu still identifies the OS as Windows 10. If using the 11, 10, or 8.1 loader and you have 11 and 10, it shows what volume the two OSes are on (E.G. Windows 10 (On Volume 4), Windows 10 (On Volume 3)). If you change the default OS to 7 and have it default to 7's bootloader, it will show them both as Windows 10 still, but not show what volume each is installed to.

Author:	Sydney [ 21 Jun 2021, 02:40 ]
Post subject:	Windows 11

Just gonna post a screenshot of windows 11 i guess

Author:	dastoopidfurrytwo [ 21 Jun 2021, 09:03 ]
Post subject:	Windows 11

Sydney wrote: * 21 Jun 2021, 02:40
Just gonna post a screenshot of windows 11 i guess

your opinion is too correct lol

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