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Yes, another problem, this time with the GPU.

So after installing all the drivers i noticed that the Laptop was still running on the Integrated Graphics (Intel HD 530) and not the built in GPU (Nvidia GeForce GTX 970m)
Disabling the Integrated Graphics or uninstalling the Integrated Graphics driver would only result in a blank screen, forcing me to hard reset the system.
Upon rebooting the Standard VGA Windows driver would be loaded.
Reinstalling or updating the Nvidia driver wouldnt do anything either and even if i chose my GPU as my preferred graphics adapter, it still wouldnt do anything.
Strangely enough the Nvidia control panel wouldnt start at all and instantly crash if the integrated graphics are disabled.
Installing only the Nvidia driver wouldnt work at all as it would show me an error saying that a intel HD driver needs to be installed first.

Please Help!

Heres a screenshot of what the Nvida control panel show me:

Check your BIOS - you normally change between GPU's in there. There should be an intergrated graphics on/off option.

EDIT: I only just noticed the black screen when you disable it part - the card might be dead? If it's a physical card you can remove, then possibly try it in a different system to see if it works.

MelonicOverlord wrote: ↑11 Jun 2021, 20:25 Check your BIOS - you normally change between GPU's in there. There should be an intergrated graphics on/off option.

nope, there aint such an option in there.
Sorry i forgot to mention that.

CalmCreeper360 wrote: ↑11 Jun 2021, 20:26

MelonicOverlord wrote: ↑11 Jun 2021, 20:25 Check your BIOS - you normally change between GPU's in there. There should be an intergrated graphics on/off option.

nope, there aint such an option in there.
Sorry i forgot to mention that.

Edited my message

MelonicOverlord wrote: ↑11 Jun 2021, 20:25 Check your BIOS - you normally change between GPU's in there. There should be an intergrated graphics on/off option.

EDIT: I only just noticed the black screen when you disable it part - the card might be dead? If it's a physical card you can remove, then possibly try it in a different system to see if it works.

well, its a laptop so that might me a bit tricky to manage.
And besides, if the card would be dead device manager and the nvidia driver installer would beat the shit out of me, which they luckly didnt.
I bought this laptop off ebay and the seller assured me that the laptop works fine, he didnt seem to be suspicious in any way.

CalmCreeper360 wrote: ↑11 Jun 2021, 20:30

MelonicOverlord wrote: ↑11 Jun 2021, 20:25 Check your BIOS - you normally change between GPU's in there. There should be an intergrated graphics on/off option.

EDIT: I only just noticed the black screen when you disable it part - the card might be dead? If it's a physical card you can remove, then possibly try it in a different system to see if it works.

well, its a laptop so that might me a bit tricky to manage.
And besides, if the card would be dead device manager and the nvidia driver installer would beat the shit out of me, which they luckly didnt.
I bought this laptop off ebay and the seller assured me that the laptop works fine, he didnt seem to be suspicious in any way.

good point with it not showing up if dead. maybe try an older/newer driver?

MelonicOverlord wrote: ↑11 Jun 2021, 20:32

CalmCreeper360 wrote: ↑11 Jun 2021, 20:30

MelonicOverlord wrote: ↑11 Jun 2021, 20:25 Check your BIOS - you normally change between GPU's in there. There should be an intergrated graphics on/off option.

EDIT: I only just noticed the black screen when you disable it part - the card might be dead? If it's a physical card you can remove, then possibly try it in a different system to see if it works.

well, its a laptop so that might me a bit tricky to manage.
And besides, if the card would be dead device manager and the nvidia driver installer would beat the shit out of me, which they luckly didnt.
I bought this laptop off ebay and the seller assured me that the laptop works fine, he didnt seem to be suspicious in any way.

good point with it not showing up if dead. maybe try an older/newer driver?

i tried 2 drivers.
The one provided my MSI and the latest from Nvidias website.
Im gonna go into the BIOS and send a picture of it so you can see which options i have there to enable and disable related to CPU and GPU.

Cya in a minute

CalmCreeper360 wrote: ↑11 Jun 2021, 20:33

MelonicOverlord wrote: ↑11 Jun 2021, 20:32

CalmCreeper360 wrote: ↑11 Jun 2021, 20:30

well, its a laptop so that might me a bit tricky to manage.
And besides, if the card would be dead device manager and the nvidia driver installer would beat the shit out of me, which they luckly didnt.
I bought this laptop off ebay and the seller assured me that the laptop works fine, he didnt seem to be suspicious in any way.

good point with it not showing up if dead. maybe try an older/newer driver?

i tried 2 drivers.
The one provided my MSI and the latest from Nvidias website.
Im gonna go into the BIOS and send a picture of it so you can see which options i have there to enable and disable related to CPU and GPU.

Cya in a minute

sure, that should probably help at least a bit

MelonicOverlord wrote: ↑11 Jun 2021, 20:34

CalmCreeper360 wrote: ↑11 Jun 2021, 20:33

MelonicOverlord wrote: ↑11 Jun 2021, 20:32

good point with it not showing up if dead. maybe try an older/newer driver?

i tried 2 drivers.
The one provided my MSI and the latest from Nvidias website.
Im gonna go into the BIOS and send a picture of it so you can see which options i have there to enable and disable related to CPU and GPU.

Cya in a minute

sure, that should probably help at least a bit

there

hmm - i'm not too sure. maybe check all driver settings if you havent already

MelonicOverlord wrote: ↑11 Jun 2021, 20:41 hmm - i'm not too sure. maybe check all driver settings if you havent already

i usually left out Geforce experience during install but i dont think this will change anything.

What you're experiencing is Optimus, the Intel HD GPU renders the display and 2D, while the GPU kicks in on demanding 3D tasks.

R3n wrote: ↑11 Jun 2021, 23:30 What you're experiencing is Optimus, the Intel HD GPU renders the display and 2D, while the GPU kicks in on demanding 3D tasks.

That kinda sounds like a good thing tbh

Never heard of it myself, but would've thought it would allow faster rendering of everything.

Ill see if i can disable that somehow.
I only want my GPU to do all the work...

CalmCreeper360 wrote: ↑12 Jun 2021, 08:09 Ill see if i can disable that somehow.
I only want my GPU to do all the work...

Like I said before you bought it, you can't.

It's why I jumped from my 4720HQ & 970m MSI to my 8770W.

MelonicOverlord wrote: ↑12 Jun 2021, 06:41

R3n wrote: ↑11 Jun 2021, 23:30 What you're experiencing is Optimus, the Intel HD GPU renders the display and 2D, while the GPU kicks in on demanding 3D tasks.

That kinda sounds like a good thing tbh

Never heard of it myself, but would've thought it would allow faster rendering of everything.

Nah, it slows everything by around 15% or so. On top of the already cut down GPU.

R3n wrote: ↑12 Jun 2021, 08:19

CalmCreeper360 wrote: ↑12 Jun 2021, 08:09 Ill see if i can disable that somehow.
I only want my GPU to do all the work...

Like I said before you bought it, you can't.

It's why I jumped from my 4720HQ & 970m MSI to my 8770W.

well, actually you can on MSi Laptops.
Kinda...
Using MSI dragon center you can choose wether you want an application do use your GPU or integrated graphics, however you need to do it manually for every single program.

If I'm not mistaken, the dGPU on some laptops actually acts as a sort of accelerator. Meaning the iGPU renders everything on-screen, but the dGPU switches on intelligently depending on workload.

tl;dr. Intel and NoVideo don't want you to be able to choose one or the other. They act as one.

docR wrote: ↑12 Jun 2021, 23:04 If I'm not mistaken, the dGPU on some laptops actually acts as a sort of accelerator. Meaning the iGPU renders everything on-screen, but the dGPU switches on intelligently depending on workload.

tl;dr. Intel and NoVideo don't want you to be able to choose one or the other. They act as one.

yes, but you can determine in the nvidia control panel which programs you want to use the dGPU and which you want to use the iGPU.
The problem is that even when you choose the dgpu, the image still needs to run through the iGPU display adapter, which is weaker most of the time, resulting in a performance loss of about 10-15%