Concept Eclipse Products

[K4sum1]

This is going to be a thread where I post various concepts that I wish I could make, but I don't have the coding or other knowledge or resources to do so.

I'm only decent with paint.net, not coding.

[K4sum1]

It would be a fork of Firefox 45 or 47 with working e10s, better WebExtensions support, able to quickly render Mega and VirusTotal and Discord and others, and general improvements that would come from focusing on actually improving the browser.

It would include a UI similar to Pale Moon and be 100% compatible with Pale Moon themes. Or the themes would be at least easy to port to the Lun3r browser.

[K4sum1]

ePhone: (Eclipse Phone or Everything Phone)
Height: 120mm
Width: 65mm
Thickness: 9-9.5mm
120g? The phone is all plastic to make it lighter and more durable. If realized it may need a metal frame to dissipate heat, but I still want it as light as possible.
4.6in AMOLED, 16:9, 1080x1920, 480 DPI, 102mm x 57mm, ~75% screen to body ratio. Although 720x1280 ~320DPI is completely fine too.

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These were made to the older 118mm spec, I'll fix them if I make a bigger change.
(I originally picked 118 to have the same screen to body ratio as the alternative 18:9 variant. I have since scrapped the 18:9 variant and moved to 120 as that makes my brain happier.)

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All plastic phone including screen. Sides and back are flat, high quality matte plastic with the XZ1C plastic texture.
Front has the screen surrounded by big speakers on the top and bottom, similar to Axon 7.
Pre-applied glass screen protector with the option of either clear or privacy.
Sides are flat, but have a bit of rounding at the edges, as to not have sharp edges.
Back is removable, remember that?
Snapdragon 6 or 7 of current gen, perhaps even undervolted.
SIM and MicroSD go in slots under the back cover. Dual SIM if possible.
A wide(?) back camera, zoomable with OIS and an ultrawide back camera with OIS. Hopefully some sort of macro mode or enough zoom to make up for the lack of macro camera.
A wide front camera with OIS
Headphone Jack, remember that?
Good, high quality DAC for that headphone jack.
Ability to work like a DAC or Bluetooth audio transmitter when connected to PC.
IR blaster and receiver, remember that?
FM radio and transmitter, remember that?
USB 3 Type C (Or 4 if available)
Side fingerprint scanner
Rebindable action button
3000?mAh (or as big as it can be) removable battery. Able to be powered on without battery while plugged in. Software switch to limit battery charging to 80% on the kernel level.
Internal pins for various uses or attachments.
Wireless charging coil is connected to the back and attaches to a couple internal pins. Also has reverse charging too.
Illuminated Eclipse logo is also connected to the back and also attaches to a couple internal pins.

A few extra things to give context:

For the display, I do not like super thin bezels or notches or curved edges. I like an uninterrupted screen and enough margin as to not accidentally tap the screen.

I mention XZ1C when discussing the plastic build, this is the Sony Xperia XZ1 Compact. The plastic on the XZ1C is high quality, matte, feels flat or smooth while having a good amount of grip. I think this would be perfect here.

In the images, I've only mocked up black. It's the Eclipse site background tiled. This is meant to replicate a matte black plastic with a purple tinge. I might make mockups with other colors like purple, white, blue, green, red, or more in the future.

The screen comes with a glass screen protector to have the best of both worlds. It feels like glass and has the scratch protection of glass, but if it breaks, you can just take it off and keep using the phone. Screen would be inset enough to keep the glass protector slightly inset from the front plastic bezel for extra drop protection.

The speakers are so big because I can have trouble understanding people on the phone. Having a bigger speaker means it's louder and higher quality. The bottom speaker is equally big to make it more symmetrical and to have better and more equal stereo sound. Although I might be fine going tri bezelless and mono sound since it's mostly earpiece I want.

Optional features or changes:

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Naming:
ePhone may be copyrighted as there is also an ePhone product by another company. If this ever gets realized and this is an issue, it can be instead called the Everything Phone, which can unofficially be called the ePhone. The name also makes fun of the Nothing Phone.

Rounded edges?
Originally I was going to do full rounded edges, then the XZ1C made me not want to do rounded but idk. I'd just need to get myself a X Compact and figure out from there.

USB C and headphone jack on both the top or the bottom?
Would help when charging (from power bank) and listening to music and putting in pocket. Although uncommon, maybe both headphone jack and USB C on the top would be best as the jack could eat into space that could otherwise be used for the battery.

Volume buttons below power button?
Pretty uncommon, but I find it helps when using them as keyboard cursor control. Otherwise top is probably better.

Middle volume button for play/pause and skip/back?
This is the idea that made me want to have an action button, and maybe it could be integrated into the volume buttons. However I feel it might make them too big and harder to use. Apple did pull it off in the iPod Nano 7 and that's pretty small so maybe not but idk. Probably not possible if below the power button unless I remove the camera button though.

Mini toslink?
I love using toslink for audio and it would give a direct wired digital output. Could also have a input jack and be a cool portable digital recording and playback device. Although that might be getting a bit too wacky for a phone.

Flipper Zero features?
If the phone is ever realized, this might be an issue for regulatory reasons since it's banned in Canada, but it would be cool to have more than just the basic NFC reader and whatever. Phones already have a lot of the hardware to do something like this. Would also add to the Everything Phone idea.

Keyboard attachment:
This is an accessory that clips in place of the removable back to add a keyboard. Connecting to the internal pins to provide a sliding keyboard. I assume this would add 5mm or so. Although it would block the cameras. Maybe some workaround could be found.

Removable back or LG G5 style?
Someone suggested having it work like the LG G5, which maybe that would be better for water resistance and the keyboard attachment. This would need prototyping to decide.

Ambient temperature sensor?
I thought of this one day when I was curious if the temperature of a room matched the thermostat, but I also realize that this could be influenced by being in a hot hand or pocket for a while, and might not work that well. Then I thought of the below.

Thermal laser and/or camera?
These seem kinda cool, and could be nice to have in a phone, but I'm not sure if it's a bit much for this size of phone.

Alternative 18:9:
I don't think I like 18:9 comparing the XZ1C and XZ2C, but since I already made this, I might as well still use it.
130mm x 65mm x 10mm
130g?
5.0in AMOLED, 18:9, 1080x2160, 480 DPI, 114mm x 57mm, ~77% screen to body ratio.

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Yes I put this much work into something that may never exist. A man can dream.

[OwnedByWuigi]

I don't like super thin bezels or notches or curved edges. I find myself accidentally touching the screen on my XZ2C when I use it because of the thin bezels and flush design while the XZ1C has thicker bezels and the screen is a bit inset.

What about the Infinity Display found in Samsung S8/S9 but with thicker bezels on the sides, and flat sides to avoid accidental taps?

[K4sum1]

What about the Infinity Display found in Samsung S8/S9 but with thicker bezels on the sides, and flat sides to avoid accidental taps?

That's basically a normal phone screen before things went to shit and what I did.

[kloak]

Eclipse vibrator when

[xperceniol_sal]

I have good things to say about Lun3r - thus far it works quite well on my 2 XP Systems.

[K4sum1]

I have good things to say about Lun3r - thus far it works quite well on my 2 XP Systems.

I kinda stole the name from this, but it's only a basic UXP fork, not the idealized concept from here. I'm not even sure if that's obtainable without me hiring multiple skilled programmers.

[xperceniol_sal]

I have good things to say about Lun3r - thus far it works quite well on my 2 XP Systems.

I kinda stole the name from this, but it's only a basic UXP fork, not the idealized concept from here. I'm not even sure if that's obtainable without me hiring multiple skilled programmers.

Just a quick question ... is it normal with Eclipse Hydra on youtube to get the upgrade the browser nag screen even spoofed? I can not get it to go away; whereas with Lun3r this is fine on youtube - in fact better than new moon.

Thanks

[K4sum1]

Just a quick question ... is it normal with Eclipse Hydra on youtube to get the upgrade the browser nag screen even spoofed? I can not get it to go away; whereas with Lun3r this is fine on youtube - in fact better than new moon.

I'm not sure, but I haven't used the browser that much. I don't think there would be any core differences that would make Hydra function differently than Lun3r but idk.

[xperceniol_sal]

Well ... I still find I get the upgrade browser nag on Hydra (native US and spoofed - I think youtube knows by now) but not on Lun3r - youtube everything works well.

[xperceniol_sal]

Lun3r does very well on browser audit (only 18 warnings and 0 critical ... even mypal68 has some critical) I'm confused though because I don't know what to change/set to make those go away ... such as I thought I had strict settings and websockets disabled (as shown below) but 1 slipped though. Please let me know if you want more detailed pictures/screenshots and I'll gladly provide them.





I have to eat my words, MyPal68 also has not critical ... I was able to get it down with my handy-dandy user.js for both, but it only brought the warnings down a little and mostly the same ones.

Also to show I do have worker disabled but it still got through and my script I thought I had pretty tight, but again, some got through.





Any assistance would be greatly appreciated ... no rush though. I plan to take my meds and go to bed early so I'll catch all-y'all tomorrow lol

Good night

[Duke]

Actually R3dfox 132 had more warnings, not sure what to think about that

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[xperceniol_sal]

^Yeah, well, I do hope @K4sum1 can shine some light on this for us. Awesome there are no critical warnings at least.

[xperceniol_sal]

Well ... I'm not sure because I can't use R3dfox but as far as Lun3r I disabled the insecure cyphers but it didn't change the score any, but why leave em when I have 7 preferred/recommended secure cypher suites.

user_pref("security.ssl.disable_session_identifiers", true);
user_pref("security.ssl.errorReporting.url", "");
user_pref("security.ssl.require_safe_negotiation", true);
user_pref("security.ssl.treat_unsafe_negotiation_as_broken", true);
user_pref("security.ssl3.dhe_dss_des_ede3_sha", false);
user_pref("security.ssl3.dhe_rsa_camellia_128_sha", false);
user_pref("security.ssl3.dhe_rsa_camellia_256_sha", false);
user_pref("security.ssl3.ecdh_ecdsa_null_sha", false);
user_pref("security.ssl3.ecdh_rsa_null_sha", false);
user_pref("security.ssl3.ecdhe_ecdsa_aes_128_sha", false);
user_pref("security.ssl3.ecdhe_ecdsa_aes_256_sha", false);
user_pref("security.ssl3.ecdhe_ecdsa_des_ede3_sha", false);
user_pref("security.ssl3.ecdhe_ecdsa_null_sha", false);
user_pref("security.ssl3.ecdhe_rsa_aes_128_sha", false);
user_pref("security.ssl3.ecdhe_rsa_aes_256_sha", false);
user_pref("security.ssl3.ecdhe_rsa_null_sha", false);
user_pref("security.ssl3.rsa_1024_rc4_56_sha", false);
user_pref("security.ssl3.rsa_aes_128_gcm_sha256", false);
user_pref("security.ssl3.rsa_aes_128_sha", false);
user_pref("security.ssl3.rsa_aes_256_gcm_sha384", false);
user_pref("security.ssl3.rsa_aes_256_sha", false);
user_pref("security.ssl3.rsa_aes_256_sha256", false);
user_pref("security.ssl3.rsa_camellia_128_sha", false);
user_pref("security.ssl3.rsa_camellia_256_sha", false);
user_pref("security.ssl3.rsa_null_md5", false);
user_pref("security.ssl3.rsa_null_sha", false);
user_pref("security.ssl3.rsa_rc2_40_md5", false);
user_pref("security.ssl3.rsa_rc4_40_md5", false);
user_pref("security.tls.version.enable-deprecated", false);
user_pref("security.tls.version.min", 3);
user_pref("security.tls13.aes_128_gcm_sha256", false);
user_pref("security.tls13.aes_256_gcm_sha384", false);

[Duke]

Since the results are quite similar between different browsers (Firefox, R3dfox, LibreWolf, Lun3r) I assume it must be the Mozilla design fault.

[K4sum1]

^Yeah, well, I do hope @K4sum1 can shine some light on this for us. Awesome there are no critical warnings at least.

I'm not sure what this browser audit site thing is. I don't know why one would be worse than the other here.

Also this is not the thread for this.

[xperceniol_sal]

I understand!

Please do @K4sum1 let me know when you decide to update Lun3r as I'm using:

Build ID 20240714103302

Its a nice piece of software you have here.

[xperceniol_sal]

Well ... I'm not sure because I can't use R3dfox but as far as Lun3r I disabled the insecure cyphers but it didn't change the score any, but why leave em when I have 7 preferred/recommended secure cypher suites.

user_pref("security.ssl.disable_session_identifiers", true);
user_pref("security.ssl.errorReporting.url", "");
user_pref("security.ssl.require_safe_negotiation", true);
user_pref("security.ssl.treat_unsafe_negotiation_as_broken", true);
user_pref("security.ssl3.dhe_dss_des_ede3_sha", false);
user_pref("security.ssl3.dhe_rsa_camellia_128_sha", false);
user_pref("security.ssl3.dhe_rsa_camellia_256_sha", false);
user_pref("security.ssl3.ecdh_ecdsa_null_sha", false);
user_pref("security.ssl3.ecdh_rsa_null_sha", false);
user_pref("security.ssl3.ecdhe_ecdsa_aes_128_sha", false);
user_pref("security.ssl3.ecdhe_ecdsa_aes_256_sha", false);
user_pref("security.ssl3.ecdhe_ecdsa_des_ede3_sha", false);
user_pref("security.ssl3.ecdhe_ecdsa_null_sha", false);
user_pref("security.ssl3.ecdhe_rsa_aes_128_sha", false);
user_pref("security.ssl3.ecdhe_rsa_aes_256_sha", false);
user_pref("security.ssl3.ecdhe_rsa_null_sha", false);
user_pref("security.ssl3.rsa_1024_rc4_56_sha", false);
user_pref("security.ssl3.rsa_aes_128_gcm_sha256", false);
user_pref("security.ssl3.rsa_aes_128_sha", false);
user_pref("security.ssl3.rsa_aes_256_gcm_sha384", false);
user_pref("security.ssl3.rsa_aes_256_sha", false);
user_pref("security.ssl3.rsa_aes_256_sha256", false);
user_pref("security.ssl3.rsa_camellia_128_sha", false);
user_pref("security.ssl3.rsa_camellia_256_sha", false);
user_pref("security.ssl3.rsa_null_md5", false);
user_pref("security.ssl3.rsa_null_sha", false);
user_pref("security.ssl3.rsa_rc2_40_md5", false);
user_pref("security.ssl3.rsa_rc4_40_md5", false);
user_pref("security.tls.version.enable-deprecated", false);
user_pref("security.tls.version.min", 3);
user_pref("security.tls13.aes_128_gcm_sha256", false);
user_pref("security.tls13.aes_256_gcm_sha384", false);

Sorry @K4sum1 and you said this isn't the thread to address such, but I need to correct my mistake. I accidentally blocked 2 good cypher suites so scratch the above where I said you only have 7 secure suites (its actually 9) I don't want to mislead anybody in the wrong direction.

So this is all you need in your user.js:

user_pref("security.ssl3.dhe_rsa_camellia_128_sha", false);
user_pref("security.ssl3.dhe_rsa_camellia_256_sha", false);
user_pref("security.ssl3.ecdhe_ecdsa_aes_128_sha", false);
user_pref("security.ssl3.ecdhe_ecdsa_aes_256_sha", false);
user_pref("security.ssl3.ecdhe_rsa_aes_128_sha", false);
user_pref("security.ssl3.ecdhe_rsa_aes_256_sha", false);
user_pref("security.ssl3.rsa_aes_128_gcm_sha256", false);
user_pref("security.ssl3.rsa_aes_128_sha", false);
user_pref("security.ssl3.rsa_aes_256_gcm_sha384", false);
user_pref("security.ssl3.rsa_aes_256_sha", false);
user_pref("security.ssl3.rsa_aes_256_sha256", false);
user_pref("security.ssl3.rsa_camellia_128_sha", false);
user_pref("security.ssl3.rsa_camellia_256_sha", false);